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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 24, 2015 at 1:43 pm
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His authority is explicit...in place of christ on earth. I would be offended as well, were I a christer. OTOH, if I were a christer...my being offended wouldn't be worth much...................
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June 24, 2015 at 1:50 pm
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(June 24, 2015 at 9:38 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: (June 24, 2015 at 7:43 am)Metis Wrote: I won't lie I do have some questions about Catholicism, but they are not ones I can ask. I have been a member of Catholic Answers for long enough to observe how any thread about anti-semetism in Catholicism or any thread in which any inconsistencies within Church doctrine are pointed out results in an immediate ban for the party that dared to ask. I remain silent there, but on a forum where we actually do have free speech I thought I'd take the opportunity to ask a Catholic apologist about it.
Interesting...
Yeah, I'm not trying to say they're anti-semtic since on there they aren't, they vehemently deny it and talk about any Jewish friends they might have and reference someone who hid a few Jews under their floorboards during World War II.
They don't take well to criticism though, if it looks at any point like a hole has been exposed in a Catholic argument or that the Non-Catholic might be winning the debate they usually shut it down with a ban. It's Catholic alright, but there's no answers to difficult questions on there 
The Jew topic has come up quite a few times though and none of the apologists there seem to really want to explain it. Another one they don't like is "Natural Law" a.k.a: "Body parts can only be used for a specific purpose and it's wrong to use them for something different or change them, so dicks up the butt are bad but boobjobs are totally cool" (you can really tell it was men who came up with this right?). Unless you're a transsexual of course, then you're a godless heathen going to hell for "perverting Gods wonderful design".
The only mod warning I've ever had there was for questioning that. "So if sex change ops are perverting Gods wonderful design why is it bad to remove a kids brain tumor?" Three day suspension and ten "points" 
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 24, 2015 at 2:15 pm
(June 24, 2015 at 1:50 pm)Metis Wrote: (June 24, 2015 at 9:38 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Interesting...
The Jew topic has come up quite a few times though and none of the apologists there seem to really want to explain it. Another one they don't like is "Natural Law" a.k.a: "Body parts can only be used for a specific purpose and it's wrong to use them for something different or change them, so dicks up the butt are bad but boobjobs are totally cool" (you can really tell it was men who came up with this right?). Unless you're a transsexual of course, then you're a godless heathen going to hell for "perverting Gods wonderful design".
Just to clarify, the Church actually does not teach that anal foreplay is wrong. When a Catholic says they believe it to be wrong, they are speaking on their own opinions and not on any official Church teaching.
The book, Moral Theology, which was used by priests in the confessional distinguishes between what is called 'perfect sodomy' and 'imperfect sodomy". This is what is says about Imperfect sodomy:
"it is neither sodomy nor a sin if intercourse is begun in the rectal manner with the intention of completing it in the natural manner" (Jone "Moral Theology" 757)
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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June 24, 2015 at 2:17 pm
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Ass to vag, up to the individual............... ass to mouth, objectively wrong.
Fucking deviants.
-and you? Do you enjoy a little rimming before being railed? I'm remembering, now, what I found so delicious about catholic girls -then-. We have a subforum you might want to join......shame is intoxicating, my love.
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June 24, 2015 at 2:21 pm
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(June 24, 2015 at 2:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (June 24, 2015 at 1:50 pm)Metis Wrote: The Jew topic has come up quite a few times though and none of the apologists there seem to really want to explain it. Another one they don't like is "Natural Law" a.k.a: "Body parts can only be used for a specific purpose and it's wrong to use them for something different or change them, so dicks up the butt are bad but boobjobs are totally cool" (you can really tell it was men who came up with this right?). Unless you're a transsexual of course, then you're a godless heathen going to hell for "perverting Gods wonderful design".
Just to clarify, the Church actually does not teach that anal foreplay is wrong. When a Catholic says they believe it to be wrong, they are speaking on their own opinions and not on any official Church teaching.
The book, Moral Theology, which was used by priests in the confessional distinguishes between what is called 'perfect sodomy' and 'imperfect sodomy". This is what is says about Imperfect sodomy:
"it is neither sodomy nor a sin if intercourse is begun in the rectal manner with the intention of completing it in the natural manner" (Jone "Moral Theology" 757)
Ah, you highlight an interesting point there Catholic_Lady, that itself is another interesting change in Church Teaching. Previously the Church forbade sodomy full stop, but after John Paul II released the Theology of the Body it became fine for heterosexual couples. Of course with the provision that the man must ejaculate within the vagina so there's still a chance of babies in theory, that's still a must. If he cums before then it's a sin.
I'm not making that up http://www.worldcat.org/title/iota-unum-...c/35022655 . There's probably other places you can read this too, most Traditionalist Catholic sites like those of the SSPX have several pages worth of "evidence" condemning John Paul II for doing this.
I think the reason given for why anal sex without climax became ok was a "change in perception across history about what constituted a contraceptive act". Really I just think it was giving a bit of ground to the sexual revolution.
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June 24, 2015 at 2:29 pm
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"Completing it in a natural manner."
What a Catholic way to it.
They couldn't even say, "Fill the proper receptacle."
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June 24, 2015 at 2:31 pm
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LOL, Metis...I cant help it, what can I say, when I see strangeness.............. I hold a mirror up to it.
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June 24, 2015 at 2:32 pm
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(June 24, 2015 at 2:29 pm)Faith No More Wrote: "Completing it in a natural manner."
What a Catholic way to it.
Nothing quite so natural as checking the temperature and thickness of your vaginal muscus for the fertility chart to work out the odds of having a baby when you do it. Or making sure you assume the "correct" position before getting to the point of no return 
Again yes, that's what Natural Family Planning is. You check your vagjajay snot to work out the odds of making a baby from the encounter. No wonder so many Catholic men I've met are gay, that would scare me off as well!
(June 24, 2015 at 2:31 pm)Rhythm Wrote: LOL, Metis...I cant help it, what can I say, when I see strangeness.............. I hold a mirror up to it.
Yeah I can't really relate to it at all It was bad enough my boyfreind not having any idea what the hell to do in the sack since the sex education Catholics get is so limited (I swear he didn't even know what a condom looked like, he thought I had sweets in the bedside cabinet  ) but....I don't know. I'm not sure I even WANT to know.
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June 24, 2015 at 2:48 pm
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(June 24, 2015 at 2:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Just to clarify, the Church actually does not teach that anal foreplay is wrong. When a Catholic says they believe it to be wrong, they are speaking on their own opinions and not on any official Church teaching.
The book, Moral Theology, which was used by priests in the confessional distinguishes between what is called 'perfect sodomy' and 'imperfect sodomy". This is what is says about Imperfect sodomy:
"it is neither sodomy nor a sin if intercourse is begun in the rectal manner with the intention of completing it in the natural manner" (Jone "Moral Theology" 757) LOL... "Perfect sodomy"...
And that's why you've got to love catholic girls...
But on a more serious note - that "imperfect sodomy", that's supposed to be fine by guys in dresses (which I don't believe for a second, but in this case I'll... errr... let it slide  ), can lead to serious vaginal infections. Use a condom.
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June 24, 2015 at 2:52 pm
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(June 24, 2015 at 2:32 pm)Metis Wrote: (June 24, 2015 at 2:31 pm)Rhythm Wrote: LOL, Metis...I cant help it, what can I say, when I see strangeness.............. I hold a mirror up to it.
Yeah I can't really relate to it at all It was bad enough my boyfreind not having any idea what the hell to do in the sack since the sex education Catholics get is so limited (I swear he didn't even know what a condom looked like, he thought I had sweets in the bedside cabinet ) but....I don't know. I'm not sure I even WANT to know.
Neither do catholic girls.....at first.......they quickly become pros - and they can -always- explain why -whatever it is they're doing- is "a-ok" with the church. As we saw with our favorite catholic, above.
High five!
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