What IS good, and how do we determine it?

[robvalue]

Oh my fucking lord. It's hard to believe what I'm reading.

So what's the count on the forum now, 2 slavery apologists and 2 rape apologists? Have I missed anything?

[Longhorn]

That's objective morality for you, Rob.

[Huggy Bear]

No need to go all hypothetical since this very scenario has taken place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_bride

No the soldiers aren't "rapists"....

And if they did it to all the women, not just those who chose to emigrate, on the basis of their virginity, would your opinion change?

Rich, coming from a guy on record defending a statutory rapist...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxss73GdM0A

Oh, and also, does the stubborn sophistry with which you insist on conducting yourself really seem worth the insane hit to your credibility you take every time you open your mouth? Because congratulations, you managed to delay having to answer the real contention of the post, that you have no answer for, for a whole one post.

I was at work, which is why I couldn't respond to your post in full. Just so were on the same page, what was your objection about your quote?

[Salacious B. Crumb]

Oh my fucking lord. It's hard to believe what I'm reading.

So what's the count on the forum now, 2 slavery apologists and 2 rape apologists? Have I missed anything?

One of the reasons I got off of this thread from the beginning. Having discussions/arguments about morality with people that get their morality from a primitive book, written by primitive, barbaric people...no thanks..There is no conversation to be had.

[Jenny A]

Huggy, let me make certain I understand you.  You believe that the young girls and women who saw their villages massacred and were taken captives by the Hebrews consented to marry and have sex with the killers of their families?

Let me ask you the same question that I asked Randy. If a group of American soldiers massacred an entire Middle Eastern village and brought home the virgins for their wives, would you consider the soldiers rapists? It is a simple question.

No need to go all hypothetical since this very scenario has taken place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_bride

War bride is a term used in reference to wartime marriages between soldiers and foreigners, especially–but not exclusively–during World War I and World War II.

One of the largest and best documented war bride phenomenons is American soldiers marrying German "Fräuleins" after World War II. By 1949, over 20,000 German war brides had emigrated to the US.[1] Furthermore, it is estimated that there are "... 15,000 Australian women who married American servicemen based in Australia during World War II and moved to the US to be with their husbands"

No the soldiers aren't "rapists"....

That is the most disingenuous comparison I've seen in a while and I've seen some doozies on the forum of late.  The women the Hebrews married were taken captive and hauled away from their homes after all of the men in their village were killed.   Then the Hebrews married them.  Consent?  Sure, after all marriage, slavery, or death is a choice, right?  Kinda like your money or your life.

In extreme contrast, the U.S. war brides were not forced to marry servicemen, they did not immigrate until after they had decided to marry servicemen, and they certainly weren't shipped stateside and told they could either agree to marry servicemen or starve in a foreign country.  Nor were servicemen encouraged to take war brides.  The U.S. military and immigration policy was strongly against enemy war brides.  Soldiers marrying Japanese and and German women faced significant hurdles in getting the marriages recognized and their wives home.  Without the full cooperation and even determination of the wives it couldn't have been done. http://www.americainwwii.com/articles/war-brides/

Australian women, who in case you missed out on the WWII section in your high school history class were allies not captives and it's hard to imagine in what way they could have been coerced into marrying servicemen.  The Vietnamese and South Korean women were also allies, not captives.   And again, it was not easy to get the wives home.  And without the wives' full cooperation it simply couldn't be done.

[Jenny A]

That's objective morality for you, Rob.

Are you sure it isn't objectionable morality?

[Esquilax]

Rich, coming from a guy on record defending a statutory rapist...

Do you actually have that record? Because unsurprisingly, your wild, baseless assertions don't mean anything to me.

Also, you're dodging the question.

I was at work, which is why I couldn't respond to your post in full. Just so were on the same page, what was your objection about your quote?

The phrase "there was no rape," cannot be a justification for the rape that the phrase is explicitly claiming did not happen. It is impossible to argue in favor of a thing when your argument directly contains the premise that the thing does not exist.

[Pyrrho]

Oh my fucking lord. It's hard to believe what I'm reading.

So what's the count on the forum now, 2 slavery apologists and 2 rape apologists? Have I missed anything?

The internet allows for people to anonymously express their most repellant views with little concern for the consequences.  You should be thankful if you are only encountering two slavery apologists and two rape apologists.

[Ravenshire]

I'll let you figure it out on your own ... if you can. I've added secret little hints in this post to help you out.

ahh so it was too difficult for you.

Let me break down that statement for you since your trying to nitpick.

"after all rape is pretty straight forward seeing how there has to be two consenting parties"

Means "there has to be two consenting parties or it's rape"

that clear it up for you?

Huggies, is English you second language?

[robvalue]

Oh my fucking lord. It's hard to believe what I'm reading.

So what's the count on the forum now, 2 slavery apologists and 2 rape apologists? Have I missed anything?

The internet allows for people to anonymously express their most repellant views with little concern for the consequences.  You should be thankful if you are only encountering two slavery apologists and two rape apologists.

I dread to think how much I would see on some Christian forums