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June 29, 2015 at 10:47 pm
(June 29, 2015 at 10:35 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (June 29, 2015 at 10:06 pm)Easy Guns Wrote: Didn't he already post it and tell you exactly where it was?
Here, I'll give it to you.
Exodus 21
20- Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21- but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
Look, I asked a very simple question.
Esquilax made the statement that there is a passage that states a slave "can be beaten" .
(March 4, 2014 at 9:04 am)Esquilax Wrote: And I still have the passage that says they can be beaten, you unbelievable moron.  *emphasis mine*
The scripture you posted does not state that slaves "can be beaten" only what happens if they are beaten...
Try again.
(June 29, 2015 at 10:22 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I already know what Huggy's going to do. He's going to find a translation that uses a different word: "servant," maybe, or "bondmen," and insist that these aren't slaves-- cuz, you know, a purchased "servant" who has to work for free is totally not a slave. Am I wrong, Huggy? Seems you we're wrong.
Is there a way to mute people in this forum?
That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever read in my life.
You see? This is why we get angry. Stupid bullshit like this.
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June 29, 2015 at 10:49 pm
Luke 12 (KJV)
47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
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June 29, 2015 at 11:05 pm
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(June 29, 2015 at 10:35 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Look, I asked a very simple question.
Esquilax made the statement that there is a passage that states a slave "can be beaten" .
(March 4, 2014 at 9:04 am)Esquilax Wrote: And I still have the passage that says they can be beaten, you unbelievable moron. *emphasis mine*
The scripture you posted does not state that slaves "can be beaten" only what happens if they are beaten...
Apparently you're so mentally deficient that you don't understand the concept of implicit.
Why am I not surprised at all?
(June 29, 2015 at 10:35 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Try again.
(June 29, 2015 at 10:22 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I already know what Huggy's going to do. He's going to find a translation that uses a different word: "servant," maybe, or "bondmen," and insist that these aren't slaves-- cuz, you know, a purchased "servant" who has to work for free is totally not a slave. Am I wrong, Huggy? Seems you we're wrong.
No, he's right in the sense that you are retreating into semanticism.
Of course, you're too stupid to actually understand you're doing that, but that's okay. Your seventeen neurons have been struggling to keep up with the demands of running heart and lungs and actually thinking about linguistic comprehension ... I get it, brotha.
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 29, 2015 at 11:07 pm
(June 29, 2015 at 10:35 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (June 29, 2015 at 10:06 pm)Easy Guns Wrote: Didn't he already post it and tell you exactly where it was?
Here, I'll give it to you.
Exodus 21
20- Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21- but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
Look, I asked a very simple question.
Esquilax made the statement that there is a passage that states a slave "can be beaten" .
(March 4, 2014 at 9:04 am)Esquilax Wrote: And I still have the passage that says they can be beaten, you unbelievable moron. *emphasis mine*
The scripture you posted does not state that slaves "can be beaten" only what happens if they are beaten...
Try again.
(June 29, 2015 at 10:22 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I already know what Huggy's going to do. He's going to find a translation that uses a different word: "servant," maybe, or "bondmen," and insist that these aren't slaves-- cuz, you know, a purchased "servant" who has to work for free is totally not a slave. Am I wrong, Huggy? Seems you we're wrong.
Huggy you fucking idiot.......
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
Clearly this part states jesus is okay with owning and beating the fucking shit out of slaves
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
As far as i'm concerned abrahamic religions such as this shouldn't even exist.
Atheism is a non-prophet organization join today.
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 30, 2015 at 12:33 am
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(June 29, 2015 at 11:05 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: (June 29, 2015 at 10:35 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Look, I asked a very simple question.
Esquilax made the statement that there is a passage that states a slave "can be beaten" .
*emphasis mine*
The scripture you posted does not state that slaves "can be beaten" only what happens if they are beaten...
Apparently you're so mentally deficient that you don't understand the concept of implicit.
Why am I not surprised at all?
(June 29, 2015 at 10:35 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Try again.
Seems you we're wrong.
No, he's right in the sense that you are retreating into semanticism.
Of course, you're too stupid to actually understand you're doing that, but that's okay. Your seventeen neurons have been struggling to keep up with the demands of running heart and lungs and actually thinking about linguistic comprehension ... I get it, brotha. To "imply" something and to actually "state" something are two different things, not even close to being semantics .Or is it your position. they are the same? Oh wait.... I forgot who I was talking to. You're the one that misconstrued me speaking in general terminology into speaking of you personally...
Do yourself a favor also, go back to your Jello™, and sit down somewhere...
*EDIT*
I should add, Esquilax knew he messed up which is why he changed his position from
(June 29, 2015 at 10:35 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (March 4, 2014 at 9:04 am)Esquilax Wrote: And I still have the passage that says they can be beaten, you unbelievable moron. you do not have a passage that says they "CAN" be beaten, you have a passage that says what happens "IF" they are beaten. to
(June 29, 2015 at 10:35 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (March 4, 2014 at 9:04 am)Esquilax Wrote: I have a passage saying that there is no punishment for beating them, meaning there is no law against it. Now who's being dishonest
this was your exact quote.. I believe you guys refer to that as "moving the goal posts"...
(June 29, 2015 at 10:49 pm)IATIA Wrote: Luke 12 (KJV)
47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. So the best example you have is a parable (analogy)?
I'll post the full context
Quote:Luke 12
41Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?
42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
Here a hint, It's an analogy, he's not speaking literally.
And you guys claim to know more about the bible, please....
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June 30, 2015 at 1:09 am
Easy Guns: Yeah, we have an ignore feature on the forum. If you're on a mobile device, you'll probably need to switch to the full version. Scroll right to the bottom and you should see the link to do that.
Then click on the name of the person you want to ignore, and you'll see a button to "add to ignore list" as well as the other information about them.
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What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 30, 2015 at 8:05 am
Thanks rob!
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June 30, 2015 at 8:07 am
(June 30, 2015 at 12:33 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Here a hint, It's an analogy, he's not speaking literally.
And you guys claim to know more about the bible, please....
A parable tells how a person should behave or what he should believe.
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 30, 2015 at 8:52 am
(June 30, 2015 at 8:07 am)IATIA Wrote: (June 30, 2015 at 12:33 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Here a hint, It's an analogy, he's not speaking literally.
And you guys claim to know more about the bible, please....
A parable tells how a person should behave or what he should believe.
Jesus could have proved the same point with a different parable not using slavery. The fact that he talks about beating a slave as though it isn't a big deal, parable or not, means that he is, at the least, indifferent to the plight of slaves.
Imagine if I substituted women for the word slave.
Quote:47 And the wife, which knew her husband's will, and prepared not herself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But she that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of her shall be much required: and to whom husbands have committed much, of her they will ask the more
At this point, it doesn't matter what the point of the analogy is because the speaker is still presenting spousal abuse as a normal thing for husbands to do.
The verses explaining his parable make Jesus' analogy worse because he doesn't even address the issue of a man beating his slaves so apparently, Jesus wasn't against slavery or beating slaves.
I had a conversation with a man who used rape victims and their dress as an analogy. When I got offended, he kept telling me that I should only focus on the point of the analogy.
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June 30, 2015 at 10:43 am
It really just boils down to the same tactics they all use to defend their bible. When they don't like what it says, it's just an analogy and we should look deeper in to the true meaning. When they do like what it says, than its god's word and we should blindly obey.
Total nonsense either way.
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