My Inquiry

[onmytablet512]

Mmmmm. All these logical fallacies make my head hurt.

So I see we've landed on the subject of the teleological argument, which evidently I used. I'm looking into the fallacies of it and I can't find any notable examples of them. I ran across this website, and the main point that it makes is that the world is not perfect because of all the suffering that goes on. In truth, the world was made perfectly until man corrupted it. Man is not perfect because God gave him free will, etc. Can you guys give me any other links to different arguments?

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1) What the hell is God except something defined to fit a role in a gap of knowledge?

2) Why should I care if there is/was one?

1) God is the creator of the Universe. True, there is no concrete, visible proof of this, but it's the belief that I follow. My God is also a loving, amazing God who bestows mercy and grace upon his children.

2) That brings Jesus into the equation. Jesus died for our sins on a cross, allowing us to make it into a Heaven and spend eternity with him.

[Tonus]

Hello all! I was scrolling through the Internet tonight

So that's why the damned internet wouldn't stay still.

As for arguments for/against, the simplest remains the best: until someone produces a god, I consider them made up. I'm good with you believing in one, as long as that doesn't lead you to sacrifice babies or starve your kid or ask that they teach your beliefs in school or make your god's pet peeves into law. But I'm good without one.

[robvalue]

Erm, you jumped pretty fast from "creator" to "Jesus" there. Why on earth would you think a story book character just happens to be God?

[Minimalist]

Erm, you jumped pretty fast from "creator" to "Jesus" there. Why on earth would you think a story book character just happens to be God?

He was just waiting for the opportunity.  If he had a towel on his head it would have been "allah."  You know these types are all the same!

[FatAndFaithless]

Mmmmm. All these logical fallacies make my head hurt.

[onmytablet512]

Erm, you jumped pretty fast from "creator" to "Jesus" there. Why on earth would you think a story book character just happens to be God?

Why do you say story book character? Jesus raised people from the dead, walked on water, etc. There's even recorded proof of his existence. I would say look at some of the books of the Bible, but I can't use that here, so check out this. To take a few excerpts from it: 

The Christ myth theory is the proposition that Jesus of Nazareth never existed, or if he did, he had virtually nothing to do with the founding of Christianity and the accounts in the gospels. This theory has very little support among scholars. The theory enjoyed brief popularity in the Soviet Union, where it was supported by Sergey Kovalev, Alexander Kazhdan, Abram Ranovich, Nikolai Rumyantsev, Robert Wipper and . Later, however, several scholars, including Kazhdan, had retracted their views about mythical Jesus and by the end of the 1980s the support for the theory became almost non-existent in Soviet academia.

There is no evidence today that the existence of Jesus was ever denied in antiquity by those who opposed Christianity.

Non-Christian sources used to study and establish the historicity of Jesus include Jewish sources such as Josephus, and Roman sources such as Tacitus. The sources are compared to Christian sources such as the Pauline Letters and the , and are usually independent of each other (e.g. Jewish sources do not draw upon Roman sources), and similarities and differences between them are used in the authentication process.

[LastPoet]

Evidence points to a cummulative chaos in the universe, that may create pockets of what we call 'order'. It was not the glass that was made for the beer, the beer adjusted to the glass.

[abaris]

Why do you say story book character? Jesus raised people from the dead, walked on water, etc.

Or so you say because your bible says so. Which brings us back to the story book issue.

[Minimalist]

Non-Christian sources used to study and establish the historicity of Jesus include Jewish sources such as Josephus, and Roman sources such as Tacitus. The sources are compared to Christian sources such as the  and the , and are usually independent of each other (e.g. Jewish sources do not draw upon Roman sources), and similarities and differences between them are used in the authentication process.

Oh, horseshit.  Let's not re-litigate this particular piece of jesus freak silliness.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-33869-po...#pid958866

[onmytablet512]

Why do you say story book character? Jesus raised people from the dead, walked on water, etc.

Or so you say because your bible says so. Which brings us back to the story book issue.

Right, my bad. I can't reference the Bible here. But Roman reports state that He was called the Messiah, which we can take to mean that He did indeed exist and evidently performed wonders for people to start calling Him Messiah and to later go through persecution and martyrdom for Him.