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Morality in animals
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The story about apes sharing is actually from a Bonobo experiment. One of the apes in adjacent cages had the food and the means to open the door to the neighbouring compartment where another Bonobo was sitting. They were strangers and look what happened.
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I once read that the primary motivational difference between chimps and bonobos can be demonstrated by putting a cardboard box into a room with a pair of each kind of animal. The chimps will fight over who gets the box. The bonobos will climb into the box and have sex.
Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
RE: Morality in animals
June 20, 2015 at 7:23 am
(This post was last modified: June 20, 2015 at 7:29 am by abaris.)
(June 20, 2015 at 7:02 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I once read that the primary motivational difference between chimps and bonobos can be demonstrated by putting a cardboard box into a room with a pair of each kind of animal. The chimps will fight over who gets the box. The bonobos will climb into the box and have sex. Chimps are certainly more aggressive than Bonobos, but there are cooperation experiments with himps, some dating back as far as the late 30ies, where they work as a team to reach a common goal. It's also been tried with elephants and they too make a combined effort. There also have been experiments to judge their sense of justice. One I remember wasn't even with great apes but with capuchins as far as I recall. Both were in seperate cages, but could observe each other. They each had to perform tasks and were rewarded with treats. In the beginning both got the same treats, but then one of them got handed grapes whereas the other go the original standard food. The one being so disfavored started throwing the treat back at the researcher when he saw what was happening. Edit: Found it, it's one of Frans de Waals experiments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOZ8OSd5xlg Here's a short one also about de Waal concerning chimp empathy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m_192a6kLg
 (June 20, 2015 at 6:56 am)abaris Wrote: The story about apes sharing is actually from a Bonobo experiment. One of the apes in adjacent cages had the food and the means to open the door to the neighbouring compartment where another Bonobo was sitting. They were strangers and look what happened.Thanks for sharing this.. thats awesome..
QuarkDriven
KCCO North NJ l USA l Earth Milky Way l The Universe  (June 19, 2015 at 11:00 am)QuarkDriven Wrote: If a godless monkey can have morals... so can we... Waiting for theist to post, "chimps are only acting on instinct, humans are different". 
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
I found the explanation for bonobo morality.
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You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
Chimps are what we are. Bonobos are what we should aspire to be.
Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
Even something as lowly as cleaner fish have morals. If a cleaner fish bites a bigger fish's gums, instead of just the teeth, the other little fish will attack it. Morality is just a set of rules that help a group survive together, brought on by the need for them to coexist. It's not rocket science.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason... http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/ Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50 A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh. http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html RE: Morality in animals
June 25, 2015 at 5:51 pm
(This post was last modified: June 25, 2015 at 5:54 pm by Simon Moon.)
I find it interesting that theists have been starting and contributing, in large numbers, to various threads about morality.
Yet, here's another thread on morality, this one about morality in animals, and they are strangely silent. What gives? Other threads on morality have reached 100's of pages, yet this one lies dormant. Come on theists. Why the sudden disinterest in discussions about morality? It couldn't be that animal morality proves that humans are nothing special in the animal kingdom, and that there are perfectly natural explanations for morality, no deity required, could it? You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence. |
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