Posts: 25314
Threads: 239
Joined: August 26, 2010
Reputation:
156
RE: Gary Habermas Q and A
June 20, 2015 at 6:05 am
(This post was last modified: June 20, 2015 at 6:06 am by Cyberman.)
I've seen his stage act before, many times. Not sure my blood pressure would stand it, personally. At least online I'd have the option of switching him off and doing something more pleasurable, like picking my nose with a fork. Might be more interesting if he was facing a more critical audience.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
Posts: 7318
Threads: 75
Joined: April 18, 2015
Reputation:
73
RE: Gary Habermas Q and A
June 20, 2015 at 6:16 am
I wouldn't go, Nestor. Churches are full of infuriating people and like others said, you won't hear anything new....Sounds like a waste of time to me, tbh
Posts: 198
Threads: 5
Joined: April 30, 2015
Reputation:
4
RE: Gary Habermas Q and A
June 20, 2015 at 12:27 pm
Ask him if sodomy is ok if administered via the use of a strap-on, the bible doesn't address this question and as far as i'm aware there haven't been any papal edicts on the topic either and i've always been curious
Also as a follow up, ask whether God has a preference as to whether it be woman on woman or woman on man - obviously this question is dependent upon getting a yes answer to the first one
“The larger the group, the more toxic, the more of your beauty as an individual you have to surrender for the sake of group thought. And when you suspend your individual beauty you also give up a lot of your humanity. You will do things in the name of a group that you would never do on your own. Injuring, hurting, killing, drinking are all part of it, because you've lost your identity, because you now owe your allegiance to this thing that's bigger than you are and that controls you.” - George Carlin
Posts: 3395
Threads: 43
Joined: February 8, 2015
Reputation:
33
RE: Gary Habermas Q and A
June 20, 2015 at 1:12 pm
(June 20, 2015 at 12:27 pm)Saxmoof Wrote: Ask him if sodomy is ok if administered via the use of a strap-on, the bible doesn't address this question and as far as i'm aware there haven't been any papal edicts on the topic either and i've always been curious
Also as a follow up, ask whether God has a preference as to whether it be woman on woman or woman on man - obviously this question is dependent upon getting a yes answer to the first one
That reminds me of:
"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
Posts: 29107
Threads: 218
Joined: August 9, 2014
Reputation:
155
RE: Gary Habermas Q and A
June 20, 2015 at 1:17 pm
(This post was last modified: June 20, 2015 at 1:18 pm by robvalue.)
This does all sound like it could cause you to blow a gasket. I doubt it's worth it.
For any sort of interaction with the entrenched to be worthwhile, there needs to be some sort of vaguely impartial audience that could benefit from it. It sounds like this is unlikely to be the case.
Posts: 198
Threads: 5
Joined: April 30, 2015
Reputation:
4
RE: Gary Habermas Q and A
June 20, 2015 at 1:36 pm
(June 20, 2015 at 1:12 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: (June 20, 2015 at 12:27 pm)Saxmoof Wrote: Ask him if sodomy is ok if administered via the use of a strap-on, the bible doesn't address this question and as far as i'm aware there haven't been any papal edicts on the topic either and i've always been curious
Also as a follow up, ask whether God has a preference as to whether it be woman on woman or woman on man - obviously this question is dependent upon getting a yes answer to the first one
That reminds me of:
That was brilliant, hard to pick a favourite line to quote, I will now search for every other song those two have wrote 
“The larger the group, the more toxic, the more of your beauty as an individual you have to surrender for the sake of group thought. And when you suspend your individual beauty you also give up a lot of your humanity. You will do things in the name of a group that you would never do on your own. Injuring, hurting, killing, drinking are all part of it, because you've lost your identity, because you now owe your allegiance to this thing that's bigger than you are and that controls you.” - George Carlin
Posts: 5399
Threads: 256
Joined: December 1, 2013
Reputation:
60
RE: Gary Habermas Q and A
June 21, 2015 at 1:12 am
So, the observatory was pretty awesome tonight. It was kind of cloudy but I got to see Saturn with its beautiful rings, Jupiter and its moons, and Messier 13, or the Great Globular Cluster in Hercules. Totally blew my mind.
Anyway, I talked to my brother about tomorrow and told him I felt obligated to go, since it's father's day, but that I'd only go if he went with me, and he told me his girlfriend sort of guilt tripped him for the same reason...lol. So he's picking me up. I actually feel a lot better since I'll have a fellow atheist and skeptic with me... but we'll see how it goes.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
Posts: 7318
Threads: 75
Joined: April 18, 2015
Reputation:
73
RE: Gary Habermas Q and A
June 21, 2015 at 4:31 am
Good luck man! Don't burn anything and watch your blood pressure
Posts: 5399
Threads: 256
Joined: December 1, 2013
Reputation:
60
RE: Gary Habermas Q and A
June 21, 2015 at 3:10 pm
Well, that was an interesting experience, to say the least. I am a Christian now.
J/K!!!!!
My brother and I got there a few minutes late, so fortunately I only had to stand through one worship song. Then the pastor, who has known Habermas since 1977, introduced him to an almost rock star's reception, which I found amusing. He was limited on time so he didn't really go too in-depth into his "evidences" for the resurrection, but centered around the points that the Gospels are early sources, and made a comparison to Alexander the Great, whose earliest surviving biographies (due to many books being suppressed and destroyed, by the church, a fact he didn't mention) are much later and therefore, according to him, less reliable than the testimony we have for Jesus. All typical apologetic fare, none of which I find impressive. He also talked about 1 Corinthians 15 and how it (he thinks) contains a creed datable to the 30s.
After his short talk, there was a minute intermission followed by a 20 minute Q and A. I went out for a smoke and when I came back in there were only a few questions left. One about Bart Ehrman, one about the Shroud of Turin, and then the pastor said that they would take one more question.
I stood up. I was in the back, so I had to talk loud since there weren’t any microphones. Fortunately, the church isn’t that large. I basically said, more or less:
“I have two questions, if that’s okay. My first question is why do none of the Christian writings show any interest in specifying the location of Jesus’ tomb, which would seem to have obvious significance for religious worship as well as their apology that he was really resurrected? My other question is why does Paul, in 1 Corinthians where he is talking about Jesus’ spiritual body, make his case by saying, ‘if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen,’ which seems an odd way of stating it and makes more sense if Paul’s beliefs about Jesus’ post-mortem fate is being informed by the Jewish doctrine of the resurrection of the dead.”
Gary said, “I heard about five words in those two questions,” to which the Pastor concurred, and then everybody spurred me to go up to the front of the church and ask them again! Awkward! But I did so, and Gary’s answers, taking the second question first, were, to summarize:
“Paul does state it that way but also reverses it too, to say that if Christ is not raised then there is no resurrection of the dead, and vice versa. As to the location of the tomb, tomb veneration was really popular in the first century and the fact that they did not revere the spot where Jesus was laid is further evidence that the tomb was empty. They didn’t worship the location because there was no body there.”
That was my experience. Overall, I’m glad I went. My mom talked to him afterwards and said that he did remember my brother (not the atheist one, but my Christian brother) and I going out to lunch with him, nearly fifteen years ago, and asking him A LOT of questions. So that was cool. My blood pressure only rose a few times when he talked about atheists, skeptics, and critics and portrayed them in a way that I would say was both incorrect and unfair, but that was to be expected.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
Posts: 3395
Threads: 43
Joined: February 8, 2015
Reputation:
33
RE: Gary Habermas Q and A
June 21, 2015 at 3:48 pm
(June 21, 2015 at 3:10 pm)Nestor Wrote: ... Overall, I’m glad I went. ...
You and I have very different ideas about time well spent.
"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
|
