Why Do We Think Slavery is Evil?

[Drich]

Owning people as property is wrong, I don't care how much room and board you get, it's still immoral! You are talking about people sacrificing their humanity and becoming a persons property just to fulfill basic human needs.

in that time and day do you know what the other option was. (No state to care for the poor or infirm) It was starvation/death. Is you pride so great that you would not work for a man via contract to save your family?

[Drich]

You seem so blinded by hatred for a word, that you cant see past it to any other point beside the one that supports what you feel.
So again I will say, the reason God does not outlaw slavery is because the definition of that word has changed. Not over thousands of years but to western society in one or two generations.

The definition of slavery has not changed. What has changed is the widespread conclusion that the practice is immoral. Guess your god didn't see that one coming. It also destroys the idea of the existence of immutable objective morals.

are slave or rather is your idea of a slave paid? Can a slave retire and buy/own land from money he has earned as his time as a slave? can your idea of a slave work for someone for say 20 years for a parcial of land? Can a slave goto medical school for a term of service as a slave to become a doctor, and once that term is up be freed to work however they see fit?

No, you say? well I guess the definition of the word slave has changed, because these things happened.

[Rhondazvous]

Speak for yourself.

So you are independently wealthy don't work and owe no one anything?

If that's your definition of slavery, no wonder you keep spouting all this irrelevant, off-the-wall shit. Your only reason for opening your mouth seems to be to exchange whatever foot was previously put there.

[Drich]

We've had this discussion before, but for the newbies: What of modern slavery? You all do know it still exists. It is what drives modern city life, in the way of affordable housing/building materials, electronics, textiles/clothing, produce is a big one as the vast majority of the produce you eat is grown and harvest by people in this country where modern labor and wage laws do not apply to them (working children no minimum wage) And, commodity products like sugar grown in the Caribbean and south America are grown on plantations that look operate and function like 18th American plantations did, yet where is all the objection, where is the distain, where is the self righteousness when it applies to the consumer products all of you have and can't live without?

When it comes to your iphones black Friday $200.00 60" flat screens and cheap organically grown fruit.. Slavery is not such a big deal is it? oh, but when God does not command thou shalt not have or support those who have slaves.. Then it becomes an issue.

Hypocrits

[Drich]

So you are independently wealthy don't work and owe no one anything?

If that's your definition of slavery, no wonder you keep spouting all this irrelevant, off-the-wall  shit. Your only reason for opening your mouth seems to be to exchange whatever foot was previously put there.

Sorry to disappoint sport, but I have defined slave as one who's will is superceeded by another.
which conforms to definition 2 from merrium Webster.

1
:  a person held in servitude as the chattel of another
2
:  one that is completely subservient to a dominating influence
3
:  a device (as the printer of a computer) that is directly responsive to another
4
:  drudge, toiler
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slave

[Cato]

are slave or rather is your idea of a slave paid? Can a slave retire and buy/own land from money he has earned as his time as a slave? can your idea of a slave work for someone for say 20 years for a parcial of land? Can a slave goto medical school for a term of service as a slave to become a doctor, and once that term is up be freed to work however they see fit?

No, you say? well I guess the definition of the word slave has changed, because these things happened.

You are conflating indentured servitude, also deemed to be immoral by the way, and slavery in a slimy attempt to keep your God from being held accountable for his explicit approval of slavery.

I'll even use your pet book to illustrate the difference:

Indentured Servitude (what you keep going on about):
“If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to you, do not make them work as slaves. They are to be treated as hired workers or temporary residents among you; they are to work for you until the Year of Jubilee. Then they and their children are to be released, and they will go back to their own clans and to the property of their ancestors. Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves. Do not rule over them ruthlessly, but fear your God” – Leviticus 25:39-43

Slavery:
“Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.” - Leviticus 25:44-46

There's no excuse for this shit Drich, none.

[Drich]

are slave or rather is your idea of a slave paid? Can a slave retire and buy/own land from money he has earned as his time as a slave? can your idea of a slave work for someone for say 20 years for a parcial of land? Can a slave goto medical school for a term of service as a slave to become a doctor, and once that term is up be freed to work however they see fit?

No, you say? well I guess the definition of the word slave has changed, because these things happened.

You are conflating indentured servitude, also deemed to be immoral by the way, and slavery in a slimy attempt to keep your God from being held accountable for his explicit approval of slavery.

I'll even use your pet book to illustrate the difference:

Indentured Servitude (what you keep going on about):
“If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to you, do not make them work as slaves. They are to be treated as hired workers or temporary residents among you; they are to work for you until the Year of Jubilee. Then they and their children are to be released, and they will go back to their own clans and to the property of their ancestors. Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves. Do not rule over them ruthlessly, but fear your God” – Leviticus 25:39-43

Slavery:
“Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.” - Leviticus 25:44-46

There's no excuse for this shit Drich, none.

Everyone who is apart of this discussion so far have been discussing NT examples. of which both (again indentured servant is ANOTHER WORD FOR SLAVE)
Chattel (the common understanding of slavery) along with Indentured servants were both mentioned.

I'm not saying 2000 years ago all slaves were treated well. I am saying as a Christian, slaves and free alike were equals before God. The book of Philemon is about a run away slave and Paul's request the Philemon take him back as a brother.

[Cato]

Everyone who is apart of this discussion so far have been discussing NT examples. of which both (again indentured servant is ANOTHER WORD FOR SLAVE)
Chattel (the common understanding of slavery) along with Indentured servants were both mentioned.

I'm not saying 2000 years ago all slaves were treated well. I am saying as a Christian, slaves and free alike were equals before God. The book of Philemon is about a run away slave and Paul's request the Philemon take him back as a brother.

No matter how much you insist, indentured servitude and slavery are not the same. Your fucking God even made the distinction clear in the verses I quoted above.

The NT makes no declaration that slavery is immoral, in fact it marches on with the understanding given in Mosaic law. If anything, Paul fucked up when it came to returning Philemon to Onesimus.

Deuteronomy 23:15-16 "15 You shall not give up to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. 16 He shall dwell with you, in your midst, in the place that he shall choose within one of your towns, wherever it suits him. You shall not wrong him.

Paul ignored God and followed Roman law that dictated slaves be returned to their masters. Yes, Paul included a plea for leniency in Onesimus' treatment but Paul would have known that Roman law allowed masters do what they wished to returned slaves including execution. I don't know how anyone can argue for a softer NT stance towards slavery when it doesn't prohibit the practice and the founder of the fucking religion specifically ignores God's law on the matter by returning a slave to his master.

[robvalue]

You've got to yanking my plank.

This again? Well, I'm left with no choice.

http://youtu.be/2MFmC6BD1B4

[Rhondazvous]

If that's your definition of slavery, no wonder you keep spouting all this irrelevant, off-the-wall  shit. Your only reason for opening your mouth seems to be to exchange whatever foot was previously put there.

Sorry to disappoint sport, but I have defined slave as one who's will is superceeded by another.
which conforms to definition 2 from merrium Webster.

1
:  a person held in servitude as the chattel of another
2
:  one that is completely subservient to a dominating influence
3
:  a device (as the printer of a computer) that is directly responsive to another
4
:  drudge, toiler
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slave

This definition in M-W does not suggest in any way that we are all slaves of someone or something as you have previously asserted. Your definitions are as ephemeral as your beliefs, and can be reshaped at your will to suit your current objective. What a liar you are.

And stop hi-jacking my threads! I realize your presence does provide comic relief for a lot of us but there is such a thing as wearing out your welcome.