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Your perception of theists
#21
RE: Your perception of theists
(July 5, 2015 at 10:32 pm)bennyboy Wrote:
(July 5, 2015 at 9:50 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Edit:
And, upon further review, what I was told was utter bullshit. Luciferianism doesn't seem terribly different from LaVeyan Satanism.

Well, an "-ism" is just a word with an "-ism."  I wouldn't try to draw strong conclusions about what Satanism or Lucerferianism "really" are, or how they relate to each other.  Those words can have as many meanings as there are people who use them.

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#22
RE: Your perception of theists
I voted yes, but I only think less of their opinion or beliefs regarding things that fall under "supernatural"; gods, ghosts, miracles, etc. If he/she is a theist and a mechanic, I'll go to them for car trouble, but not for a funny shape on my burnt toast, for example.

Honestly, I do have to consciously work against my natural reaction when learning what nonsense somebody believes. Most of the time, I can place myself in their shoes and remember a time when I was in their place. Sometimes I'll think "heh, you're just a few more books away from an atheist", but mostly it's "hmm, you're a lost cause". In either case, I keep my mouth shut. I didn't get to be an atheist because someone argued with me.
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#23
RE: Your perception of theists
No, of course not. Some of the most influential people in my life believe in some sort of higher power. Now, obviously I am vehemently opposed to outlawing LGBT rights based on faith and would feel sorry for those who dedicate their lives to undermining civil liberties. But that's a different ballgame.
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#24
RE: Your perception of theists
(July 5, 2015 at 9:05 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: When you learn that a particular person is a theist, does that fact alone make you think any less of them? Perhaps less intelligent, or less rational, or less educated, or less good, etc?

If so, how and why?

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I'll answer your questions with questions:

When you learn that a particular person believes in leprechauns, does that fact alone make you think any less of them? Perhaps less intelligent, or less rational, or less educated, or less good, etc? 

If so, how and why?

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#25
RE: Your perception of theists
I voted yes.

It's tragic, I guess, but, even so, my thinking less of them doesn't elicit any blame in their directions. I hold the view that free will is an illusion and so I think that nobody is actually responsible-nor can they be-for their belief or lack thereof. I am very much opposed to the abstract thing that is religion though, very much so indeed, but I don't hold any grudge over individual human beings on account of their delusions or on account of any other thing for that matter.

As to the why of the question, well, naturally, because theists choose to attribute real meaning or qualities to non-existing entities and illogical concepts, which, I suppose, is a failure of language usage and philosophising in general.

It would be both hypocritical and arrogant of me not to admit this. I hope to actually help, not to live happily by pretending the problem is either moot or nonexistent. I don't wish to pander to the holier-than-thou mindset of certain proponents of freedom of thought(such as is made known by speech or by other actions) who seem to conflate antithetical modes of reasoning and so, for example, end up supporting freedom for it's own sake, with no regard for consequences(the anarchist position), and, conversely, constraining it for the same reasons. The goal and how you achieve it are two very different things and not to be confused lest undesired situations ensue.
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#26
RE: Your perception of theists
As a general rule ...couldn't care less.
I never ask.
So for me to find out their religion means they want to talk about it.
That's where I put the diplomatic hat on and smile till we finish doing business.
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#27
RE: Your perception of theists
(July 5, 2015 at 10:39 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:
(July 5, 2015 at 10:32 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Well, an "-ism" is just a word with an "-ism."  I wouldn't try to draw strong conclusions about what Satanism or Lucerferianism "really" are, or how they relate to each other.  Those words can have as many meanings as there are people who use them.

Did you read either of the links? [Image: free-rolleye-smileys-323.gif]

A link is not a fact.  It's a redirection to another webpage.

The fact is that there are a lot of people who use these words, and they don't all mean the same thing.
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#28
RE: Your perception of theists
I voted yes, I'll admit to my bias. I recognize it though, and I don't let it germinate.

Usually the way it comes up is what leads to my change in opinion, however. Recently in TN, I am hearing a lot of side conversations about how this country is going to heyell because the homo 'agenda' is winning. Say that thought aloud, and my opinion of you drops. You do really hear some of the more deplorable things coming out of theists' mouths.

I stop myself when it comes to intelligence, though. I don't think you're necessarily stupid if you've been brainwashed and blackmailed into believing in religion. Of course, some of the corollary stuff that comes along with it, especially in the South, hampers my ability to stop myself.
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#29
RE: Your perception of theists
(July 6, 2015 at 12:30 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: I voted yes, I'll admit to my bias. I recognize it though, and I don't let it germinate.

Usually the way it comes up is what leads to my change in opinion, however. Recently in TN, I am hearing a lot of side conversations about how this country is going to heyell because the homo 'agenda' is winning. Say that thought aloud, and my opinion of you drops. You do really hear some of the more deplorable things coming out of theists' mouths.

I stop myself when it comes to intelligence, though. I don't think you're necessarily stupid if you've been brainwashed and blackmailed into believing in religion. Of course, some of the corollary stuff that comes along with it, especially in the South, hampers my ability to stop myself.

I have to admit: my negative bias against Christians has all but gone away after moving away from Tennessee. I don't regularly have to hear the racism/homophobic thoughts people feel the need to express anymore, and that helps with my perceptions. I was definitely more of an anti-theist back in the day, and almost completely intolerant of Christians, save my loved ones.
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#30
RE: Your perception of theists
(July 6, 2015 at 12:16 am)bennyboy Wrote:
(July 5, 2015 at 10:39 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Did you read either of the links? [Image: free-rolleye-smileys-323.gif]

A link is not a fact.  It's a redirection to another webpage.

The fact is that there are a lot of people who use these words, and they don't all mean the same thing.

Words have meanings Benny. You can't communicate without accepted definitions.

Are you proposing you have some evidence that those words are used other ways or are you just wanting to make shit mean whatever you want it to for right now?
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