What Human Rights?

[BrokenQuill92]

Once we are born we have these basic rights

1. The right to life
2. The right to health
3. The right to contentment
4. The right to romance and love
5. Right to reproduce and parenthood
6. The right to at least a small bit of leisure

[Dystopia]

Once we are born we have these basic rights

1.   The right to life
2.  The right to health
3.  The right to contentment
4.  The right to romance and love
5.  Right to reproduce and parenthood
6.  The right to at least a small bit of leisure

Tell that to fascists

[Catholic_Lady]

Have you read Thomas Aquinas?

(btw, I was making the assumption that you were not Catholic... was I wrong?)

Aquinas is one of my favorite philosophers. I never tire of reading the Schoolmen.

I recognize the Roman Church as the premier Christian institution. I also believe that Reformed Churches and the Post-Reformation Catholic Church share the same essentials. Any minor doctrinal differences can be debated without consequence. But I am not a member of the Roman Catholic Church. I consider myself a Student of Swedenborg and believe that the church exists wherever the Word is preached and practiced.

Awesome!

[bennyboy]

Did the Egyptian first-born have rights?  How about the children of people God stated would be punished even up to the fourth generation?  How about the children in Sodom and Gomorrah?  How about all the people wiped out in the great flood in which Noah magically put all species of animal into a big boat? What I'm saying is that the idea of rights is not consistent with the Bible.

That would not be true. Justice and Mercy are the only modifying circumstances of rights. Christians and Jews believe in a eternally just God. Any innocent caught-up in acts of Divine retribution will be recompensed as promised in Rev. 21:4 - "He will wipe the tears from their eyes..." and Joel 2:25 - "I will restore the years the locusts have eaten..."

From previous threads I know the political views of many atheist members and they are overwhelmingly liberal. From the comments above it is clear that liberals cannot be trusted to protect anyone's rights and generally are in favor of meddling and regulating them away (like Parkers Tan who clearly has totalitarian sympathies) when it suits their agendas.

Wow.  If you are going to support the Bible, at least actually read it, or don't lie about it.  There are very many cases where innocents were killed by God or those acting in the name of God.  Where are the rights of those innocents?

[KUSA]

Once we are born we have these basic rights

1. The right to life
2. The right to health
3. The right to contentment
4. The right to romance and love
5. Right to reproduce and parenthood
6. The right to at least a small bit of leisure

If these are rights then why doesn't everyone have them?

[bennyboy]

The bible is very important, but the bible is not the Church Itself. The Church is not sola scriptura, and is not bound entirely by the words in the bible. I don't know which bible verse talks about human rights. When I want to know what Catholicism teaches about human rights, I look at the Catechism, Magisterium, etc. I don't open up the bible and look for it there. :

This question would much better apply to either one of the two protestants here, since they rely solely on the bible, I believe.

Okay, so far you've said the Bible is a bunch of fairy tales and shouldn't be taken literally. That's a strange position for a Christian, of any denomination, to take, but okay.

Maybe I missed your posts earlier in the thread, but you haven't answered my question since I asked it: WHY do you believe that God extends any particular rights to mankind in general?

[BrokenQuill92]

Once we are born we have these basic rights

1. The right to life
2. The right to health
3. The right to contentment
4. The right to romance and love
5. Right to reproduce and parenthood
6. The right to at least a small bit of leisure

If these are rights then why doesn't everyone have them?

Because some people think their own health and happiness must come at the expense of others

[Mudhammam]

Once we are born we have these basic rights

1.   The right to life
2.  The right to health
3.  The right to contentment
4.  The right to romance and love
5.  Right to reproduce and parenthood
6.  The right to at least a small bit of leisure

If these are rights then why doesn't everyone have them?

What KUSA said.

You wouldn't say there is no truth because there is ignorance of it, I presume? Why should it be any different with human rights?

My question for BrokenQuill would be, what gives you THOSE rights and what makes it my duty to respect them?

[BrokenQuill92]

If these are rights then why doesn't everyone have them?

What KUSA said.

You wouldn't say there is no truth because there is ignorance of it, I presume? Why should it be any different with human rights?

My question for BrokenQuill would be, what gives you THOSE rights and what makes it my duty to respect them?

I exist, I give myself those rights. Maybe that's a bit of lazy argument, but I am myself and I should be able to do as I please as long as I'm not hurting anyone. Those who don't respect my rights will protested against, written angry letters, or occasionally punched in the face.

[Catholic_Lady]

The bible is very important, but the bible is not the Church Itself. The Church is not sola scriptura, and is not bound entirely by the words in the bible. I don't know which bible verse talks about human rights. When I want to know what Catholicism teaches about human rights, I look at the Catechism, Magisterium, etc. I don't open up the bible and look for it there. :

This question would much better apply to either one of the two protestants here, since they rely solely on the bible, I believe.

Okay, so far you've said the Bible is a bunch of fairy tales and shouldn't be taken literally.  That's a strange position for a Christian, of any denomination, to take, but okay.

Maybe I missed your posts earlier in the thread, but you haven't answered my question since I asked it: WHY do you believe that God extends any particular rights to mankind in general?

Well first of all I never said the bible was just "a bunch of fairy tales." 
Second, it's not strange at all. It's a very common amongst Catholics to believe that parts of the bible were not written literally. And I'd say most protestants believe that at least Genesis is not literal.

Sorry, I did not see that question.

I wouldn't say God doesn't extend any particular rights to animals. We are still supposed to treat all living things with a certain level of respect. I'm not exactly sure what you mean about animals rights, actually. Are you talking about the fact that animals are not held morally responsible for killing each other or stealing each other's food, etc? Lol.