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RE: question for all
July 18, 2015 at 12:22 pm
Quote:Tiberius (AD 14-37) would be better if you want to play the source comparison game. The primary sources for him are The Annals of Tacitus, written about 109 AD, later even that the Gospels written about Jesus.
Not really. Of those listed below we have something in multiple cases far superior than any of the jesus bullshit: contemporary accounts. Paterculus was an officer under Tiberius in Germania and wrote a history. Seneca died in 39, 2 years after Tiberius. Strabo died while Tiberius was reigning. Even Pliny was nearly 15 when Tiberius died. Recall that Strabo, Pliny, Seneca, and Paterculus have nothing to say about any "jesus" nor did Philo of Alexandria who died c 50 AD.
Quote:Of the authors whose texts have survived, only four describe the reign of Tiberius in considerable detail: Tacitus, Suetonius, Cassius Dio and Velleius Paterculus. Fragmentary evidence also remains from Pliny the Elder, Strabo and Seneca the Elder. Tiberius himself wrote an autobiography which Suetonius describes as "brief and sketchy," but this book has been lost.[92]
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Plus Tiberius left thousands of coins, inscriptions, he is mentioned in the Res Gestae Divi Augustus, the so-called "Pilate Inscription" dedicates a building to him.
So, no. Tiberius is not a good example. A better choice might have been Socrates who only exists in the writings of Plato and Xenophon as well as the plays of Aristophanes. Xenophon was a historian, though...which gives him a leg up on the gospel bullshitters.
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RE: question for all
July 18, 2015 at 12:53 pm
(July 18, 2015 at 11:17 am)Minimalist Wrote: 1. No. Because there is no evidence beyond the pious bleating of believers who wish it were so.
2. Yes. Because there is a metric fuckton of evidence.
I propose herewith that 'metric fuckton' be made an official, recognized unit of measurement. The standard could be 'the amount of evidence in support of a proposition sufficient to make those who deny the proposition candidates for psychiatric treatment'.
Who do we contact to make this happen?
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RE: question for all
July 18, 2015 at 1:12 pm
How about those douches who ruled that Pluto wasn't a planet?
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RE: question for all
July 18, 2015 at 1:27 pm
(July 18, 2015 at 1:12 pm)Minimalist Wrote: How about those douches who ruled that Pluto wasn't a planet?
http://uk.businessinsider.com/neil-degra...?r=US&IR=T
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RE: question for all
July 18, 2015 at 2:59 pm
(July 18, 2015 at 10:09 am)lkingpinl Wrote: So I would like to pose two questions to any who wish to answer.
1. Do you believe the person of Jesus Christ existed in history? Why (whether yes or no)?
2. Do you believe that George Washington was President of the United States? Why (whether yes or no)?
I don't have the patience for this. I'd prefer to concede that somebody or some group of historical people are the inspiration for at least some of the stories attributed to the Jesus character in the bible.
Naturally, Washington's having been a real historical person doesn't guarantee that the cherry tree chopping story. Likewise any claims of miracles and divinity in reference to the Jesus guy(s) are not vouchsafed by their having been flesh and blood.
So I would really appreciate hearing what you think follows from Jesus and George being a couple of regular guys. Jesus is historical. So what?
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RE: question for all
July 18, 2015 at 3:22 pm
Fraid we might have stolen the OP's thunder. Maybe next time he won't telegraph his punches?
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RE: question for all
July 18, 2015 at 4:09 pm
I don't believe anyone or anything exists. So there.
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RE: question for all
July 18, 2015 at 4:22 pm
If there is "evidence" you don't have to believe it.
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RE: question for all
July 18, 2015 at 8:25 pm
(July 18, 2015 at 10:09 am)lkingpinl Wrote: So I would like to pose two questions to any who wish to answer.
1. Do you believe the person of Jesus Christ existed in history? Why (whether yes or no)? Not sure, because nobody reliable wrote about him at the time of his life, or even a reasonable time after it.
Quote:2. Do you believe that George Washington was President of the United States? Why (whether yes or no)?
Yes, I'm pretty sure, because very many people wrote about him during his life, including enemies.
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RE: question for all
July 18, 2015 at 8:38 pm
(July 18, 2015 at 10:09 am)lkingpinl Wrote: So I would like to pose two questions to any who wish to answer.
1. Do you believe the person of Jesus Christ existed in history? Why (whether yes or no)?
2. Do you believe that George Washington was President of the United States? Why (whether yes or no)?
What differences does it make whether he existed or not? That has no has no bearing on the claim that he is the son of a God and that he was resurrected.
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