Pre-Uthman Quran Found in England

[Minimalist]

They should test Luxenberg's thesis on it and try reading it in Syriac.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Syro-A..._the_Koran

According to Luxenberg, the Qur'an was not written in classical Arabic but in a mixed Arabic-Syriac language, the traders' language of Mecca and it was based on Christian liturgical texts. When the final text of the Qur'an was codified, those working on it did not understand the original sense and meaning of this hybrid trading language any more, and they forcefully and randomly turned it into classical Arabic. This gave rise to a lot of misinterpretations. Something like this can only have happened if there was a gap in the oral transmission of the Qur'anic text. That idea is in serious disagreement with the views of both traditional Muslims and western scholars of Islam

[JesusHChrist]

Reality gonna reality.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Radio Carbon dating puts the Quran at no later than 645 (95%, the parchment is from between 568 and 645) so the person who wrote this Quran potentially met Muhammad. Uthman reigned starting 644. So that means Uthman never got his dirty paws on this Quran.

And the best part? The Yemeni government cannot stop the release of any research into this Quran. Still eagerly awaiting the release of Sana'a Manuscript. They know the Quran has changed, hence they are choosing hide the Sana'a Manuscript.

For those like me who have never heard of Uthman and Sana's manuscript, could you give us some background to this please? I do like to hear tales of the establishment losing their trip on power.

[Minimalist]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sana%27a_manuscript

[Rayaan]

They should test Luxenberg's thesis on it and try reading it in Syriac.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Syro-A..._the_Koran

According to Luxenberg, the Qur'an was not written in classical Arabic but in a mixed Arabic-Syriac language, the traders' language of Mecca and it was based on Christian liturgical texts. When the final text of the Qur'an was codified, those working on it did not understand the original sense and meaning of this hybrid trading language any more, and they forcefully and randomly turned it into classical Arabic. This gave rise to a lot of misinterpretations. Something like this can only have happened if there was a gap in the oral transmission of the Qur'anic text. That idea is in serious disagreement with the views of both traditional Muslims and western scholars of Islam

It probably escaped you that almost all languages have borrowed words from previous languages and then those words became incorporated into the new language - with the addition of some lexcial re-arrangements.

For example, you know that the word "alcohol" is obviously an English word. But the word also has an Arabic origin, which comes from the root word al-kuhl, a powder used as an eyeliner. So, in the same way, certain words in the Quran may have a Syro-Aramaic origin, but that doesn't mean that the words themselves are not Arabic. If you still really believe Luxenberg's argument that the Quran was not written in pure Arabic but rather in a "mixed Arabic-Syriac language," then you also have to agree that Darwins On the Origin of Species was written not in English but in a mixed English-Greek-Latin-French-etc. language.

Muslim and Western scholars are already aware that many of the words in the Quran are variations of words that are originally found in the Syriac and Aramaic languages. These words already became a part of the Arabic dictionary during that time, and again, this is a well-known phenomenon that has occurred even in the English language as it gradually evolved over the course of time, along with many other languages. It has always been like that.

[Minimalist]

Are you trying to convince me, Luxenberg or yourself?

[Rayaan]

Are you trying to convince me, Luxenberg or yourself?

You, of course.

[Exian]

I'm actually part of the crew working to decode and translate this ancient text. As you can imagine, this is an exciting time for people with the title of our particular profession. So far we have the following:

"Decapitation is bad. So bad, that you'll be sent to hell, where you'll have to endure, not just 72, but an infinite amount of virgins. No questions asked. Knock it off. This goes for stoning, too. Just don't be a jerk.

Marrying and having sex with children is bad. This really bugs Allah, not that I(pbum) would try to tell Allah what He thinks. Which brings me(pbum) to my(pbum) next point...

Don't pretend to know what God thinks, and under no circumstance, should you be doing the punishing. No exceptions. Stop it. Don't. I'm(pbum) serious.

Don't read too much into this book. It's a book. I know words are powerful and this is a really good way to spread ideas, but use your Allah forsaken head, would ya?

Lastly, I(pbum) don't know what science is. That doesn't come until later, I'm(pbum) told."

So, yeah. Pretty exciting stuff. I'm mean this changes everthing! Someone call ISIS.

[Rayaan]

I'm actually part of the crew working to decode and translate this ancient text. As you can imagine, this is an exciting time for people with the title of our particular profession. So far we have the following:

[ignoramus]

If God was omnipotent, why is there so much confusion about what he said!
Was he not a good communicator?

Shouldn't he also have know that we're going to distort his message to suit ourselves?