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'Oldest' Koran fragments found in Birmingham University
#31
RE: 'Oldest' Koran fragments found in Birmingham University
The thing that gets me with Islam is it's just so diametrically opposed to western culture. At the very least to British culture. The contrast between a 'muslim' area and a 'none-muslim' area is stark. There's a McDonalds just past Heartlands Hospital, and it's at that McDonalds that you literally cross the border into a Muslim area. And it's immediately noticeable. By the sights, the smells, the shit driving of the hundreds of people without licenses. Every time I go through my mind is blown. And for all this talk of integration, I can't see it getting better, every time I do go through these areas I'm just more and more amazed at how Islamized they become. Every shop sign has Arabic writing, every person you see is in Islamic garb, pretty much every woman with the full ninja outfit. The only pubs there have been converted into Islamic book stores. The clothing shops all sell Islamic clothing. And that's not even mentioning the gigantic Mosques protruding the skyline. You would literally think you're in a different country.
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#32
RE: 'Oldest' Koran fragments found in Birmingham University
It really is. It's such a blatant and shameless reluctance to have to deal with anyone or anything remotely "British". Then the faux-left will laud it as "ooooh, diversity! *wankwankwank* "

It's not "diversity", because to have "diversity" these people actually have to mingle and interact with others to make a diverse whole. Instead they close themselves off to everyone else in a homogeneous (the opposite of "diverse") community. As I said before it's not a "British Muslim community", it's a colony of isolated Pakistanis living with Britain happening around them.
"Adulthood is like looking both ways before you cross the road, and then getting hit by an airplane"  - sarcasm_only

"Ironically like the nativist far-Right, which despises multiculturalism, but benefits from its ideas of difference to scapegoat the other and to promote its own white identity politics; these postmodernists, leftists, feminists and liberals also use multiculturalism, to side with the oppressor, by demanding respect and tolerance for oppression characterised as 'difference', no matter how intolerable."
- Maryam Namazie

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#33
RE: 'Oldest' Koran fragments found in Birmingham University
Napps, same here matey.
Where do you draw the line and say "enough".
When they vote a musso prime minister and then watch the floodgates open?
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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#34
RE: 'Oldest' Koran fragments found in Birmingham University
(July 22, 2015 at 5:03 pm)Neimenovic Wrote:
(July 22, 2015 at 3:57 pm)robvalue Wrote: Who are the lemonites?

Citizens of Lemongrab?

Lemongrab, the home of my people. Smile
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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#35
RE: 'Oldest' Koran fragments found in Birmingham University
(July 22, 2015 at 9:57 pm)Napoléon Wrote: The thing that gets me with Islam is it's just so diametrically opposed to western culture. At the very least to British culture. The contrast between a 'muslim' area and a 'none-muslim' area is stark. There's a McDonalds just past Heartlands Hospital, and it's at that McDonalds that you literally cross the border into a Muslim area. And it's immediately noticeable. By the sights, the smells, the shit driving of the hundreds of people without licenses. Every time I go through my mind is blown. And for all this talk of integration, I can't see it getting better, every time I do go through these areas I'm just more and more amazed at how Islamized they become. Every shop sign has Arabic writing, every person you see is in Islamic garb, pretty much every woman with the full ninja outfit. The only pubs there have been converted into Islamic book stores. The clothing shops all sell Islamic clothing. And that's not even mentioning the gigantic Mosques protruding the skyline. You would literally think you're in a different country.

This is all so weird to me - In the last month I've seen two Muslim women wearing black clothing and a visible face - I found that extremely rare as I rarely see Muslims. I discovered there's a mosque in the city I live, I didn't know about its existence as the legion of followers is really small and almost indistinguishable from the rest of the population. your life must be though.

This is a generally acknowledged fact about immigrants - Not just Muslims - It happens in Portugal and I'm 100% sure it happens everywhere else - Segregation, poverty, identity politics, criminality - I'm happy I've never crossed one of those "no-go" areas that exist in most cities I've been to that are basically ghettos where you run the risk of being harassed and robbed or even killed just for being there without a decent cause.

Wikipedia says this

Quote:There are currently just over 200 mosques in the city, including purpose built places of worship, converted warehouses, Churches and cinemas as well as former homes, schools and centres.

I am surprised, I don't think there are that many churches where I live.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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#36
RE: 'Oldest' Koran fragments found in Birmingham University
(July 22, 2015 at 6:39 pm)Rayaan Wrote: Poca, this was a duplicate thread by the way. Another one was started just nine hours ago:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-34901.html


I thought as a staff member you would be a little more observant of threads as to avoid this, eh? Wink

Indeed it is... I looked through the "today's posts" and found nothing like this... looked at the news forum and nothing... It was under Islam... of course... -.-'
Anyway, both threads have moved their separate ways, by now, so let them be...

As former admin, you should know that duplicate threads ought be reported and not discussed in thread, right?


Anyway, back on track, and following Dystopia's post.
Here in Lisbon, there are at least 2 large mosques, but we seldom see anyone wearing the headscarf, much less the full ninja garb.
However, after the Charlie Hebdo attacks, the door and wall on one of them was "vandalized" with some graffiti. The grafitti was a simple number: 1143.

[Image: 396833.jpg?type=L]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Portugal
Quote:Portugal traces its national origin to 24 June 1128 with the Battle of São Mamede. Afonso proclaimed himself Prince of Portugal, and in 1139 King of Portugal. In 1143, the Kingdom of León recognises him as King of Portugal by the Treaty of Zamora. In 1179, the papal bull Manifestis Probatum of Pope Alexander III officially recognised Afonso I as King.

Allegedly, this was done (but never claimed) by some neo-nazi, ultra-conservative individual(s).
Even so muslims in Portugal seem to have gotten the message that we have some equally disturbed people living under the guise of "christian"...
Curiously, no such displays were reported from France, at the time...

Also, knowing the UK's history of hooliganism, I find it curious how peaceful coexistence with such muslim communities is maintained. It is a large country...

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Now a bit more on topic: if the qur'an is based largely on the Torah, or OT, and if Mo was a guy well versed in the teachings of Moses, it would stand to reason that some writings from the Torah, but in the local dialect, were to be produced. I'm sure that even the NT, by this time, was fully translated into latin.
Which brings us back to my original question: what is written on those fragments?
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#37
RE: 'Oldest' Koran fragments found in Birmingham University
(July 23, 2015 at 4:39 am)pocaracas Wrote: As former admin, you should know that duplicate threads ought be reported and not discussed in thread, right?

You're right. Please accept my apology.
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#38
RE: 'Oldest' Koran fragments found in Birmingham University
(July 22, 2015 at 10:16 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:
(July 22, 2015 at 5:03 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Citizens of Lemongrab?

Lemongrab, the home of my people. Smile

UNACCEPTABLE!!
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#39
RE: 'Oldest' Koran fragments found in Birmingham University
(July 23, 2015 at 4:57 am)Rayaan Wrote:
(July 23, 2015 at 4:39 am)pocaracas Wrote: As former admin, you should know that duplicate threads ought be reported and not discussed in thread, right?

You're right. Please accept my apology.

Eh? When the fuck has this ever been a rule?
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#40
RE: 'Oldest' Koran fragments found in Birmingham University
(July 23, 2015 at 6:56 am)Napoléon Wrote:
(July 23, 2015 at 4:57 am)Rayaan Wrote: You're right. Please accept my apology.

Eh? When the fuck has this ever been a rule?

True... there's no rule about duplicate threads.
There's a general advice/request to report anything that is perceived as wrong with particular posts or threads, instead of complaining in thread.
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