Bernie Sanders

[AFTT47]

Bernie Sanders has a good message and it's good that he's running for that reason alone. And as Chris Mathews of MSNBC puts it, the nominee for President should never be coronated. There should be a spirited contest even when there is such an obvious front runner as we have with Hilary.

I could see an interesting battle in the general if Sanders were to win because my money is on Scott Walker to win on the Repugnican side. Those two are ideological opposites.

[CapnAwesome]

Scare tactics much? Do you know who got us into WWI an WWII? Democrats. Also Vietnam.

Democrats, who were the conservatives back then. The same conservatives that make up the Republican party now, and are fighting hard against peace.

I've heard my parents talk about how they're staunch Repubs, and how much good they did back some decades ago. Without really realizing that the Repubs were the liberal party back then.

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Not even a remotely true statement regarding the presidents who got us involved in the World Wars and Vietnam. Harry Truman, FDR, JFK and LBJ were all far to the left of the Republcans they ran against and all got us involved in wars. These men are Democratic heroes today. The only one who can kind of get a pass is FDR, because of Pearl Harbor, but he was dying to get us into WWII.

[Chad32]

I don't know about the other ones, but wasn't WW2 supposed to be "the good war"? Besides, it's not the dems that are screaming about the peace treaty bringing Iran closer to nukes somehow, and saying they'll ignore it if we get a republican president.

[CapnAwesome]

I don't know about the other ones, but wasn't WW2 supposed to be "the good war"? Besides, it's not the dems that are screaming about the peace treaty bringing Iran closer to nukes somehow, and saying they'll ignore it if we get a republican president.

People can say whatever they want but I know what Hillary's record on war is, and it's terrible. Also the Democrats have a terrible record on war, whatever their rhetoric is.

[abaris]

Not even a remotely true statement regarding the presidents who got us involved in the World Wars and Vietnam.

Quite a bold statement to call Woodrow Wilson far to the left.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I don't see much to dislike Bernie over. I think I saw a video about him talking about Isis that wasn't flattering, but he's certainly better than Donald or Jeb.

I don't know how Donald is so popular. He's bankrupted how many businesses now? and they want to vote him into office? If he can't run a business, how is he going to run a country?

He's not all that popular - but he has completely overshadowed the other clowns in the car by having a big mouth.  This has enabled him to gain about 20-25% of the republicunt party...all of whom are batshit crazy to begin with.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/16...97722.html

Donald Trump Wins Title Of Most Disliked Republican Candidate

But the primary system - and his own money will keep him in the race as long as he likes - as the other candidates start to drop by the wayside.  Their supporters will have to go somewhere and, when it comes to embracing CRAZY, I have no confidence in republicunts at all.

Dems should be rejoicing over these facts. Trump has alienated Latinos, has always been obnoxious to the working class, won't draw many women for his comments about his ex-wife and his daughter both, and all of that is Trump giving hostages to political fortune. The backtracking he'll have to do will probably soften his appeal to Republicans, too.

[CapnAwesome]

Not even a remotely true statement regarding the presidents who got us involved in the World Wars and Vietnam.

Quite a bold statement to call Woodrow Wilson far to the left.

Well not if you took him in a time machine and brought him to today. If you contextualize him in his time he obviously is. Plus what I said is he was left of who he was running against, Taft, who was obviously way more conservative than him and Teddy Roosevelt, a war monger if there ever was one.

Leading the Congress, now in Democratic hands, he oversaw the passage of progressive legislative policies unparalleled until the New Deal in 1933.[1] Among these included the Federal Reserve Act, Federal Trade Commission Act, the Clayton Antitrust Act, and the Federal Farm Loan Act. Having taken office one month after ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment, Wilson called a special session of Congress, whose work culminated in the Revenue Act of 1913, reintroducing an income tax and lowering tariffs. Through passage of the Adamson Act, imposing an 8-hour workday for railroads, he averted a railroad strike and an ensuing economic crisis.

In the context of 1914 that's obviously someone to the left. I don't think the left and particularly the democratic party has a good record on war, either in a modern or a historical context. This is some sort of myth that they use to lure in peace votes

It's the same way that if you brought Abraham Lincoln to today he would be a racist but if you look at him in the context of the time he was racially progressive.

[Secular Elf]

I don't see much to dislike Bernie over. I think I saw a video about him talking about Isis that wasn't flattering, but he's certainly better than Donald or Jeb.

I don't know how Donald is so popular. He's bankrupted how many businesses now? and they want to vote him into office? If he can't run a business, how is he going to run a country?

Exactly the same question I have.  Trump is actually not presidential material.  A Trump presidency would be a disaster.   He has announced no actual solutions to any problems other than "I am Donald Trump.  I will build a wall on the border and make Mexico pay for it because I am Donald Trump and I say so."  I am not too worried, he may be the darling of the Right now but the rest of the country either is laughing at him or does not trust him.

When thinking about Trump, I am reminded of a few lines from Shakespeare's play Macbeth:

This life, which had been the tomb of his virtue and of his honour, is but a walking shadow; a poor player, that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

[Secular Elf]

Quite a bold statement to call Woodrow Wilson far to the left.

Well not if you took him in a time machine and brought him to today. If you contextualize him in his time he obviously is. Plus what I said is he was left of who he was running against, Taft, who was obviously way more conservative than him and Teddy Roosevelt, a war monger if there ever was one.

Leading the Congress, now in Democratic hands, he oversaw the passage of progressive legislative policies unparalleled until the New Deal in 1933.[1] Among these included the Federal Reserve Act, Federal Trade Commission Act, the Clayton Antitrust Act, and the Federal Farm Loan Act. Having taken office one month after ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment, Wilson called a special session of Congress, whose work culminated in the Revenue Act of 1913, reintroducing an income tax and lowering tariffs. Through passage of the Adamson Act, imposing an 8-hour workday for railroads, he averted a railroad strike and an ensuing economic crisis.

In the context of 1914 that's obviously someone to the left. I don't think the left and particularly the democratic party has a good record on war, either in a modern or a historical context. This is some sort of myth that they use to lure in peace votes

It's the same way that if you brought Abraham Lincoln to today he would be a racist but if you look at him in the context of the time he was racially progressive.

Interesting thing about Wilson is that he was quite racist himself, which in his day was more acceptable.

[Brian37]

Trump ran for spite but more so for personal promotion for his name.