History Repeats Itself

[Kingpin]

[Longhorn]

So....change gradually occurring over long periods of time is a leap....But goddidit isn't?

[Kingpin]

So....change gradually occurring over long periods of time is a leap....But goddidit isn't?

I never said that.  There are many factors that go in to my belief in God, not just as an answer to difficult questions.

[Longhorn]

No, I mean your skepticism is very selective. What about the creation 'theory' ISN'T based on a huge leap?

By the way....macroevolution IS microevolution, only occurring on a larger scale. See:



Like that.

[Kingpin]

I will admit, in the origin of the universe and creation of all things, God is the simplest answer. However, through the incredible complexity and design of the universe and humanity, morality, personal experiences, I don't find it to be that big of a leap. I cannot speak for you or anyone else. Skepticism is healthy and leads to an increase in knowledge. I investigate things I don't easily find plausible. God is no exception and I would hope that from my posts in my short time here others can see that I don't just accept it and say "Because God" or "Because the Bible". I'm a critic, of all things and I reach some conclusions based on deduction of the evidence I have. I wouldn't operate any other way.

[Longhorn]

Sure. But that 'simplest answer' is not simple at all. It completely ignores the problem of infinite regress and emergent complexity, and uses special pleading. Do not multiply entities. This hypothesis raises more questions than it answers.

To me at least, it seems like an enormous leap. What exactly is your reasoning that led you from first cause/'a creator' to a deistic deity, to then a theistic god, to then yahweh and then christian yahweh and finally to your denomination and personal version of yahweh?

Because to me it is a one big unjustified non sequitur.

[Kingpin]

Sure. But that 'simplest answer' is not simple at all. It completely ignores the problem of infinite regress and emergent complexity, and uses special pleading. Do not multiply entities. This hypothesis raises more questions that it answers.

To me at least, it seems like an enormous leap. What exactly is your reasoning that led you from first cause/'a creator' to a deistic deity, to then a theistic god, to then yahweh and then christian yahweh and finally to your denomination and personal version of yahweh?

Because to me it is a one big unjustified non sequitur.

I fully understand where you are coming from on that and that exact progression you mention is not something simple and would create a very long response to which I currently don't have time to do, but I'm not opposed to offering.

[Longhorn]

Please do, when you have time. I mean it when I say that I really want to see it. You'd be the first theist to do that. All I've ever gotten was a dodge.

[Kingpin]

No, I mean your skepticism is very selective. What about the creation 'theory' ISN'T based on a huge leap?

By the way....macroevolution IS microevolution, only occurring on a larger scale. See:



Like that.

I understand that but microevolution is variations within a species (which in the lab shows there are limits) and evolutionists state that given enough time these variations lead to entirely new species that continue to evolve and lead to more and than present pictures as proof.  Like this:

[Longhorn]

It was not meant as 'proof', but as an analogy.

What is an 'evolutionist'? -_-

And, while we're still on the topic, will you post a thread about the progression from first cause to your personal god when you have time, or would it be in this thread?