History Repeats Itself

[Kingpin]

[robvalue]

Even if evolution was completely 100% wrong, that doesn't explain how "so it's magic" is the conclusion. Aren't you interested in investigating to find the real answer, if evolution is wrong? There's an infinity of possibilities.

Writing complex things off as magic is the mistake our species has made time and time again.

[Kingpin]

Even if evolution was completely 100% wrong, that doesn't explain how "so it's magic" is the conclusion. Aren't you interested in investigating to find the real answer, if evolution is wrong? There's an infinity of possibilities.

Absolutely Rob and I agree 100%.  It is the conclusion that I deduce and I will readily admit it is most likely impossible to improve empirically.

[Longhorn]

[robvalue]

Sure

I'm not asking for proof, I'm trying to understand why you would even consider it as the next explanation on the list. But you don't have to tell me, that's cool.

It seems I'm right, you've looked quite a lot into opponents of evolution. Have you spent a similar amount of time learning about it and viewing the evidence? I'm just interested, it's not an accusation.

[Longhorn]

Even if evolution was completely 100% wrong, that doesn't explain how "so it's magic" is the conclusion. Aren't you interested in investigating to find the real answer, if evolution is wrong? There's an infinity of possibilities.

Absolutely Rob and I agree 100%.  It is the conclusion that I deduce and I will readily admit it is most likely impossible to improve empirically.

But yet you have no problem believing it to be true, while the slightest hole you can pick in the evolutionary theory discredits it in your mind. Do you see the double standard?

I will accept at face value the explanation of having faith for emotional reasons, and I wouldn't argue against that. But the moment you say you hold your beliefs out of rationality, I feel compelled to step in and beg to differ.

[robvalue]

Haha. Yes, I'd be willing to argue to my inevitable death that religious beliefs cannot be demonstrated to be rational. But no one has a duty to try and convince me.

No one even wants to try at all given the lack of response (1 person) to my open challenge apologetics thread.

I'll even give you deism for free, skip all that nonsense.

[Catholic_Lady]

I'm not a creationist but wanted to chime in here and say that the Church has 0 issue with evolution. The past several popes have talked about it as a perfectly acceptable scientific explanation for how we got the world we live in today. I learned about evolution in my Catholic school. The man who first introduced the idea of the Big Bang Theory was a Catholic priest, and the pope of the time was super excited about it. Yep, no problem here!

I wish every other theist reached the same conclusion, but that is not the case. The Big Bang has nothing to do with biological evolution. That is called the cosmic evolution.

Oh, I didn't realize you were talking about biological evolution specifically. I just assumed you were talking about evolution in general. There is no issue with any type of evolution.

[Kingpin]

Absolutely Rob and I agree 100%.  It is the conclusion that I deduce and I will readily admit it is most likely impossible to improve empirically.

But yet you have no problem believing it to be true, while the slightest hole you can pick in the evolutionary theory discredits it in your mind. Do you see the double standard?

I will accept at face value the explanation of having faith for emotional reasons, and I wouldn't argue against that. But the moment you say you hold your beliefs out of rationality, I feel compelled to step in and beg to differ.

I understand that completely Vic and wouldn't argue that there may be a double standard.  I do hold a presupposition to my belief in God and I try to be objective in my skepticism.  The problem comes where I can say I find immense problems with evolution theory as origin of species, but I cannot offer a viable, testable alternative.  My means for explanation can only be labeled as supernatural.  I am working on your request Vic for my path to belief, but like I said, it's not a simple post and some areas cannot be empirically tested.

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I wish every other theist reached the same conclusion, but that is not the case. The Big Bang has nothing to do with biological evolution. That is called the cosmic evolution.

Oh, I didn't realize you were talking about biological evolution specifically. I just assumed you were talking about evolution in general. There is no issue with any type of evolution.

Hey look, I found something we disagree on.  

[Catholic_Lady]