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Some observations
#1
Some observations
Okay lets start.

god.

1. omnipotence **removed
2. omniscience **removed 
3. omnipresence **removed. 
4. omni-benevolence **is not benevolent 
5. Has a plan
6. Has a arch nemesis  **important 
7. want's free will for everyone. **its a illusion 

Since out the first four of those why would god even need a arch nemesis like Satan the thing is he wouldn't.
I mean if Satan planned on doing pretty much anything god would already know about. Like with pain and suffering
in the world you might as well removed number 4. because with god being all knowing free will too is a illusion so remove 7. 
so with 4. 6. and 7. removed you might as well remove some others like omnipresence and omnipotence and omnipresence. 
and the only thing left is he has a plan and that's about it.
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RE: Some observations
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RE: Some observations
I think we can remove "has a plan" from the list too.
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(August 24, 2015 at 11:51 am)Iroscato Wrote: Welcome back Wink

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RE: Some observations
(August 24, 2015 at 11:40 am)dyresand Wrote: Okay lets start.

god.

1. omnipotence **removed
2. omniscience **removed 
3. omnipresence **removed. 
4. omni-benevolence **is not benevolent 
5. Has a plan
6. Has a arch nemesis  **important 
7. want's free will for everyone. **its a illusion 

Since out the first four of those why would god even need a arch nemesis like Satan the thing is he wouldn't.
I mean if Satan planned on doing pretty much anything god would already know about. Like with pain and suffering
in the world you might as well removed number 4. because with god being all knowing free will too is a illusion so remove 7. 
so with 4. 6. and 7. removed you might as well remove some others like omnipresence and omnipotence and omnipresence. 
and the only thing left is he has a plan and that's about it.
Good observation.
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RE: Some observations
(August 24, 2015 at 12:23 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: I think we can remove "has a plan" from the list too.

What ever plan it is he too falls under having no free will of his own.
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RE: Some observations
Another good argument I've seen against the omnipotence bit is, if he was truly omnipotent then he would have no need for creation period. Or anything. He would just sit there.
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(August 24, 2015 at 7:38 pm)Ayen Wrote: Another good argument I've seen against the omnipotence bit is, if he was truly omnipotent then he would have no need for creation period. Or anything. He would just sit there.

Pretty much because if you know everything that there is possible and impossible to know you yourself would have no free will. 
god of the bible doesn't know everything there is parts in the bible were he clearly doesn't know anything at all.
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"A plan" makes no sense to a being which is so often described as somehow being outside of time. As soon as he implements "the plan", it's also instantly finished, from his perspective. So he's just writing fan fiction for himself that we can live through.

Normally a plan is a way to overcome a certain obstacle or achieve a certain goal. Since neither of these make any sense or should require any effort on his part, "a plan" involving talking monkeys is really just pissing about.
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(August 24, 2015 at 11:40 am)dyresand Wrote: Okay lets start.

god.

1. omnipotence **removed
2. omniscience **removed 
3. omnipresence **removed. 
4. omni-benevolence **is not benevolent 
5. Has a plan
6. Has a arch nemesis  **important 
7. want's free will for everyone. **its a illusion 

Since out the first four of those why would god even need a arch nemesis like Satan the thing is he wouldn't.
I mean if Satan planned on doing pretty much anything god would already know about. Like with pain and suffering
in the world you might as well removed number 4. because with god being all knowing free will too is a illusion so remove 7. 
so with 4. 6. and 7. removed you might as well remove some others like omnipresence and omnipotence and omnipresence. 
and the only thing left is he has a plan and that's about it.

What is your list about and how is it you are adding or deleting items from it?
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