im a nazi

[Minimalist]

And now you're banned!

[Thumpalumpacus]

What'd I do to get banned?!

[Minimalist]

That was to the OP.

Sheesh.  Some people are so sensitive.

[Cyberman]

I know, right? Sometimes people just want to jump onto a banned wagon.

[abaris]

Now if Diaz had been a black guy in WWII Nazi Germany the Nazis would most likely have shot him without a second thought.  But if he had been a black man in the South during WWII chances are he would have been lynched for "not knowing his place".  But since he's a black guy in New York some trigger happy cop will most likely shoot him and get away with it because he dares to walk down the city streets.

Actually, no. The nazi dogma on blacks wasn't that different from the segregation policy in the USA. Blacks lived in Nazi Germany. Not a great many, of course, but they had a few and paraded them in propaganda films. They were considered inferior, of course, since they were, well, black. But they weren't persecuted in the same way as the jews.

A few of them even served in the Wehrmacht.



And it's also factually incorrect to call the jews a white race. Abessinia has a rather large jewish community. And they aren't white. It's even up for debate if they are a race at all. They're part of the semitic ethnicities. Which also include the Palestinians.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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The US was so prejudiced against blacks during WWII it wouldn't allow black soldiers to fight the evil white Nazis.

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Factually incorrect. The 332nd Fighter Group and the 477th Bomber Group were black, as was the 743rd Tank Battalion and the 92nd Infantry Division.

It's true that the US Army, the  USAAC/USAAF, and the Navy practiced institutional bigotry against minorities, but it is definitely not true that blacks weren't permitted to fight the NaZis.  They did, with great distinction.

  The only reason black troops were allowed to fight the Nazis was when the Army had severe manpower shortages in certain areas.  It was not official policy.  

"For James Strawder, one of more than 2,000 black soldiers who answered Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower's call for black volunteers to replace white soldiers killed during the Battle of Bulge, the final indignity came after Germany's surrender, when the volunteers were immediately transferred back to all-black labor units as their white comrades in arms were being sent home or given more dignified assignments."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55650-2004May25.html

The US treated white Nazi soldiers better than it treated its own black troops.  It was two racist regimes fighting each other to see who was going to be the top racist.  The title went to the US.

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And it was white Americans that kept blacks in slavery and under rigid Jim Crow laws yet the black guy is supposed to be all indignant that white Nazis killed white Jews who were classified as legitimate domestic enemies of Germany.  

Now if Diaz had been a black guy in WWII Nazi Germany the Nazis would most likely have shot him without a second thought.  But if he had been a black man in the South during WWII chances are he would have been lynched for "not knowing his place".  But since he's a black guy in New York some trigger happy cop will most likely shoot him and get away with it because he dares to walk down the city streets.

No argument with this.

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[Wyrd of Gawd]

Now if Diaz had been a black guy in WWII Nazi Germany the Nazis would most likely have shot him without a second thought.  But if he had been a black man in the South during WWII chances are he would have been lynched for "not knowing his place".  But since he's a black guy in New York some trigger happy cop will most likely shoot him and get away with it because he dares to walk down the city streets.

Actually, no. The nazi dogma on blacks wasn't that different from the segregation policy in the USA. Blacks lived in Nazi Germany. Not a great many, of course, but they had a few and paraded them in propaganda films. They were considered inferior, of course, since they were, well, black. But they weren't persecuted in the same way as the jews.

A few of them even served in the Wehrmacht.



And it's also factually incorrect to call the jews a white race. Abessinia has a rather large jewish community. And they aren't white. It's even up for debate if they are a race at all. They're part of the semitic ethnicities. Which also include the Palestinians.

The Nazis routinely executed any black troops that they captured.  It wasn't that many since there weren't very many black troops in the war zone.  But then the US also gunned down captured German troops by the thousands.  

The Bible states that Jews lived from Spain to India and from Turkey to Ethiopia and every place in between.  That's why Jesus told his disciples to go to all nations and preach the word because a lot of the Jews in those areas had lost their Jewish identity.   The intent was to preach to the Jews and not to the Gentiles since it was a Jewish religious message.  

Maybe that black Nazi trooper is one of Diaz's relatives?

[abaris]

The Nazis routinely executed any black troops that they captured.  It wasn't that many since there weren't very many black troops in the war zone.  But then the US also gunned down captured German troops by the thousands.  

Bullshit. Educate yourself.

[Napoléon]

although i disagree with what you believe i will defend your right to believe it
voltaire

i agree he has the constitutional right to express himself freely

I was going to tell him, we also have the constitutional right to tell you to fuck off!

Indeed. Freedom of expression/speech cuts both ways. 






Should start around 2:18.

[Thumpalumpacus]

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  The only reason black troops were allowed to fight the Nazis was when the Army had severe manpower shortages in certain areas.  It was not official policy.  

"For James Strawder, one of more than 2,000 black soldiers who answered Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower's call for black volunteers to replace white soldiers killed during the Battle of Bulge, the final indignity came after Germany's surrender, when the volunteers were immediately transferred back to all-black labor units as their white comrades in arms were being sent home or given more dignified assignments."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55650-2004May25.html

The US treated white Nazi soldiers better than it treated its own black troops.  It was two racist regimes fighting each other to see who was going to be the top racist.  The title went to the US.
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No argument with this.

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Yeah, as I said, the US practiced institutionalized racism. My point was that blacks did indeed fight the NaZis, no matter the rationale.

Although the 332nd wasn't formed from a shortage of pilots, but rather at the behest of Eleanor Roosevelt, iirc, after talking with the heads of the NAACP.