BEASTIALITY

[*Deidre*]

No, I don't think you mean it like that...I think you are motivated by your religion to do good things. That's why you said it. And I'm here to suggest to you, you don't need religion to do anything good in this life.  Catholicism has been selling that lie for a very long time, though.

A see what you're saying.

Well to clarify, it's not that my faith is the reason why I do good things, it's that my faith can sometimes help explain why certain things are objectively immoral.

Ok, I see. How does your faith explain something though that you could simply reason for yourself?

If we removed religion out of the world, you will still have people who fuck animals, but I have a sneaking suspicion that they will still be few and far between. Altruism is actually part of the evolutionary process, not of religion. If we removed religion out of the world, murder, stealing, cheating, harming others, lying, etc...would still SEEM intrinsically wrong on various levels, and there will still be people who break the law, etc. But, perhaps you believe that a god instilled in all of us this ability to discern right from wrong...an examination of conscience, if you will. But, you know what is funny, the only thing that separates you from atheists, is ....belief. If you stop believing, does god go away? It would seem that way, so how objectively real and moral can he be?

[Athene]

Really? Why do you post questions here asking people how they feel  about fucking family members and dogs, then?

Because I want to hear people's views who are not religious. That's why I came to an atheist forum. 

Okay. Gotcha. You're not sure if atheists engage in incest or fuck animals,  so you just wanted to make sure.....but you don't think we're immoral....Golly, gee no. Not that, fellas!


That's cute. Adorable, even.

[Catholic_Lady]

Because I want to hear people's views who are not religious. That's why I came to an atheist forum. 

Okay. Gotcha. You're not sure if atheists engage in incest or fuck animals,  so you just wanted to make sure.....but you don't think we're immoral....Golly, gee no. Not that, fellas!


That's cute. Adorable, even.

I don't know what you are referring to, since I never asked anyone here whether they engage in incest or are into bestiality, or even whether or not they think it's moral.  

My thread about incest was a poll asking you guys whether or not you think it should be legal to marry a sibling. Most people said it should be, with which I agree.

This thread is asking you guys for reasons why you believe any type of sexual act with an animal is immoral, given you are not hurting them. (so I was already assuming yall think it's immoral)

[*Deidre*]

Okay. Gotcha. You're not sure if atheists engage in incest or fuck animals,  so you just wanted to make sure.....but you don't think we're immoral....Golly, gee no. Not that, fellas!


That's cute. Adorable, even.

I don't know what you are referring to, since I never asked anyone here whether they engage in incest or are into bestiality, or even whether or not they think it's moral.  

My thread about incest was a poll asking you guys whether or not you think it should be legal to marry a sibling. Most people said it should be, with which I agree.

This thread is asking you guys for reasons why you believe any type of sexual act with an animal is immoral, given you are not hurting them. (so I was already assuming yall think it's immoral)

Just going with that question, my answer would be that one should want to have sex with someone who CAN consent. An animal can't consent, and therefore, there is an abusive nature to the act. Even if it may appear that the animal isn't being harmed, that animal still can't consent, thus it would be wrong to have sex with an animal or person who cannot willingly give consent. 

Catholicism says -- because the Bible (the word of God) states it's wrong. 

I will go with my reasoning. lol

[Catholic_Lady]

A see what you're saying.

Well to clarify, it's not that my faith is the reason why I do good things, it's that my faith can sometimes help explain why certain things are objectively immoral.

Ok, I see. How does your faith explain something though that you could simply reason for yourself?

If we removed religion out of the world, you will still have people who fuck animals, but I have a sneaking suspicion that they will still be few and far between. Altruism is actually part of the evolutionary process, not of religion. If we removed religion out of the world, murder, stealing, cheating, harming others, lying, etc...would still SEEM intrinsically wrong on various levels, and there will still be people who break the law, etc. But, perhaps you believe that a god instilled in all of us this ability to discern right from wrong...an examination of conscience, if you will. But, you know what is funny, the only thing that separates you from atheists, is ....belief. If you stop believing, does god go away? It would seem that way, so how objectively real and moral can he be?

My faith teaches us about Natural Law, which is an inherent, basic sense of right from wrong that all people have (unless they are crazy or something). So you are correct in your paragraph above in regards to what I believe. 

So yes, we all know that doing anything sexual with animals is wrong even if it doesn't hurt them in any way. It doesn't take a religious person to know this, just as it doesn't take a religious person to know that murder, stealing, cheating, lying, etc, are wrong. My faith doesn't teach me bestiality is wrong, because I already know it is wrong. But it provides me with a deeper understanding of why this is wrong.

So my question on this thread was for someone who doesn't have that same religious based understanding of why this is wrong, to share their reasons for why they think it's wrong.

[*Deidre*]

Ok, I see. How does your faith explain something though that you could simply reason for yourself?

If we removed religion out of the world, you will still have people who fuck animals, but I have a sneaking suspicion that they will still be few and far between. Altruism is actually part of the evolutionary process, not of religion. If we removed religion out of the world, murder, stealing, cheating, harming others, lying, etc...would still SEEM intrinsically wrong on various levels, and there will still be people who break the law, etc. But, perhaps you believe that a god instilled in all of us this ability to discern right from wrong...an examination of conscience, if you will. But, you know what is funny, the only thing that separates you from atheists, is ....belief. If you stop believing, does god go away? It would seem that way, so how objectively real and moral can he be?

My faith teaches us about Natural Law, which is an inherent, basic sense of right from wrong that all people have (unless they are crazy or something). So you are correct in your paragraph above in regards to what I believe. 

So yes, we all know that doing anything sexual with animals is wrong even if it doesn't hurt them in any way. It doesn't take a religious person to know this, just as it doesn't take a religious person to know that murder, stealing, cheating, lying, etc, are wrong. My faith doesn't teach me bestiality is wrong, because I already know it is wrong. But it provides me with a deeper understanding of why this is wrong.

So my question on this thread was for someone who doesn't have that same religious based understanding of why this is wrong, to share their reasons for why they think it's wrong.

Why is it wrong, according to your faith?

[Athene]

Okay. Gotcha. You're not sure if atheists engage in incest or fuck animals,  so you just wanted to make sure.....but you don't think we're immoral....Golly, gee no. Not that, fellas!


That's cute. Adorable, even.

I don't know what you are referring to, since I never asked anyone here whether they engage in incest or are into bestiality, or even whether or not they think it's moral.  

My thread about incest was a poll asking you guys whether or not you think it should be legal to marry a sibling. Most people said it should be, with which I agree.

This thread is asking you guys for reasons why you believe any type of sexual act with an animal is immoral, given you are not hurting them. (so I was already assuming yall think it's immoral)

.......Cuing the semantics. Zooming in on phony shock and feigned outrage......and CUT. It's a wrap! Nice work, CL.

[Catholic_Lady]

My faith teaches us about Natural Law, which is an inherent, basic sense of right from wrong that all people have (unless they are crazy or something). So you are correct in your paragraph above in regards to what I believe. 

So yes, we all know that doing anything sexual with animals is wrong even if it doesn't hurt them in any way. It doesn't take a religious person to know this, just as it doesn't take a religious person to know that murder, stealing, cheating, lying, etc, are wrong. My faith doesn't teach me bestiality is wrong, because I already know it is wrong. But it provides me with a deeper understanding of why this is wrong.

So my question on this thread was for someone who doesn't have that same religious based understanding of why this is wrong, to share their reasons for why they think it's wrong.

Why is it wrong, according to your faith?

Because of sexual morality. 

The short answer is we believe sex is meant to be an act of self giving love between a man and a woman who have vowed to be together for life. The farther away you take sex outside of this context, the more distorted and wrong it becomes. So while I still think it's wrong to have sex with your significant other before you're married, it's even more wrong to have a one night stand with someone you don't really care about, and even more wrong than that is to have it with someone you just paid to do it with. 

And on an entirely other level, it's wrong to do it with an animal because it's not even with a person. That's about as far away as you can get from taking sex outside its intended context, and so it's perverse and sick, and we all know that in our guts. 

And of course, if it brings any sort of physical or emotional harm to the animals, it's wrong because of that too. But even if it doesn't harm the animal, it's still wrong because of sexual morality. That's how we see it anyway.

[*Deidre*]

lol Thena

Catholic_Lady, I grew up in the Catholic faith. I would be lying if I told you I still don't have 'issues' with the RCC. But, I'm evolving. lol That said, when I was a Catholic, I looked at atheism as a mysterious concept. It didn't make sense to me, and seemed so far off from what I believed. But, at the end of it all, we are very much alike. Most of us here wouldn't hurt others, simply because it'd be wrong to do. Now that I'm no longer religious, (and my path to atheism wasn't immediate) ...I see atheism in a vastly different light than when I was viewing it through the lens of Catholicism. Although, Pope Francis states that all atheists will go to heaven. That's so nice of him.

[Catholic_Lady]

I don't know what you are referring to, since I never asked anyone here whether they engage in incest or are into bestiality, or even whether or not they think it's moral.  

My thread about incest was a poll asking you guys whether or not you think it should be legal to marry a sibling. Most people said it should be, with which I agree.

This thread is asking you guys for reasons why you believe any type of sexual act with an animal is immoral, given you are not hurting them. (so I was already assuming yall think it's immoral)

.......Cuing the semantics. Zooming in on phony shock and feigned outrage......and CUT. It's a wrap! Nice work, CL.

Lol, asking someone if they think incest should be legal is a different question from asking them if they engage in it. 

And asking someone to explain why they think bestiality is wrong, is a different question from asking if they're into it. 

It's not a matter of semantics at all. They are different questions, Thena. Also, I'm not sure how my post came across as me being in shock and outrage. I wasn't those things at all, and wasn't "pretending" to be, either.