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RE: "All Scientists Should Be Militant Atheists"
September 11, 2015 at 11:49 pm
(September 11, 2015 at 11:25 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (September 11, 2015 at 10:56 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: What? His name was Georges Lemaître. And he was not a child molester.
They're pulling your chain, Cath! Get it? "big bang?"
If you read the article, Krauss is pretty clear why he says what he says, and it's not that he thinks it should be required in the dictatorial sense of the term, like some kind of exclusive club. It's that when you do science, it's methodological naturalism, so God isn't required at any point in the work. Thus, he says, it's a pointless thing, even for those scientists who still hold beliefs in the supernatural outside of the realm of science. Despite all the "bomb-throwing", it's actually a fairly unremarkable article, and I think you would be less offended by the jokes here if you read it to get full context. 
God is not "required at any point in the work" for most fields lol.
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RE: "All Scientists Should Be Militant Atheists"
September 11, 2015 at 11:50 pm
(September 11, 2015 at 11:46 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: Just read the wiki article on Georges Lemaître. I had never heard of him. It sounds like he was a classic example of a scientist leading a double life, so to speak. And he did exactly what any good scientist is supposed to do: check any personal feelings at the laboratory door and follow the evidence where it leads.
Leading a double life? How so?
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RE: "All Scientists Should Be Militant Atheists"
September 11, 2015 at 11:50 pm
I think the Mormon hierarchy is there too.
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RE: "All Scientists Should Be Militant Atheists"
September 11, 2015 at 11:56 pm
According to anecdote, Pope Pius was really intrigued by Lemaître's idea when they discussed it and said - Ahaa, fantastic! Finally, proof for a point of creation, should I put it in the official doctrine? And Lemaître was like "Nooo, that's not how science works, pops!"
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RE: "All Scientists Should Be Militant Atheists"
September 12, 2015 at 12:12 am
(September 11, 2015 at 11:50 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (September 11, 2015 at 11:46 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: Just read the wiki article on Georges Lemaître. I had never heard of him. It sounds like he was a classic example of a scientist leading a double life, so to speak. And he did exactly what any good scientist is supposed to do: check any personal feelings at the laboratory door and follow the evidence where it leads.
Leading a double life? How so?
Scientist at work and theologian at home.
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RE: "All Scientists Should Be Militant Atheists"
September 12, 2015 at 12:21 am
(September 12, 2015 at 12:12 am)AFTT47 Wrote: (September 11, 2015 at 11:50 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Leading a double life? How so?
Scientist at work and theologian at home.
I thought scientist priest at work, maverick race car driver at home... 
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RE: "All Scientists Should Be Militant Atheists"
September 12, 2015 at 12:49 am
(September 12, 2015 at 12:21 am)Alex K Wrote: (September 12, 2015 at 12:12 am)AFTT47 Wrote: Scientist at work and theologian at home.
I thought scientist priest at work, maverick race car driver at home...
Scientist/priest at work by day, international spy and pseudonymous gambler "man of mystery" by night...
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: "All Scientists Should Be Militant Atheists"
September 12, 2015 at 1:16 am
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(September 11, 2015 at 9:03 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (September 11, 2015 at 4:30 pm)ScepticOrganism Wrote: I fully agree as well. If anything, it should be mandatory.
You don't think a non atheist should be allowed to be a scientist? This seems a little unreasonable. The scientist who first presented the idea of the Big Bang was a Catholic priest.
I distinguish a scientific technician from a scientist. A scientific technician can do great science through expert practice of the craft of science, but while he can be adept at exploiting the ability to science to achieve results, he need not embrace the implications of why science can achieve these results that nonscience can not. A real scientist ought to embrace the reason why science can achieve what it achieves, and consequently can not but reject not necessarily the existence of God, but necessarily reject instead the acceptance of the proposition that God either exists or that God ought to exist.
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RE: "All Scientists Should Be Militant Atheists"
September 12, 2015 at 1:18 am
(September 12, 2015 at 12:12 am)AFTT47 Wrote: (September 11, 2015 at 11:50 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Leading a double life? How so?
Scientist at work and theologian at home.
Ah ok. When you said double life, it made me think you were implying something inappropriate. There is nothing wrong with being a scientist and a priest at the same time.
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RE: "All Scientists Should Be Militant Atheists"
September 12, 2015 at 1:56 am
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