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RE: Unintelligent Desgin
September 15, 2015 at 3:58 pm
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(September 15, 2015 at 2:23 pm)Godschild Wrote: (September 14, 2015 at 8:53 pm)Shuffle Wrote: Christians, why did god create cancers, germs, parasites and infectious, deadly diseases?
This question has probably been asked here before, but I couldn't find, so I decided to ask it now. I am NOT talking about natural disasters or accidents, I am just talking about organisms that kill millions of people daily.
Thanks!
He didn't as far as I know, when the fall occurred all life suffered the fall, including the micro organisms. Unfortunately for us they turned to the worse side.
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Genuinely curious: is there any particular theological reason why, say, cows and pandas remained herbivores but lions and bears became carnivores, or why, say, certain types of mold/fungus/bacteria help us but certain types harm us?
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RE: Unintelligent Desgin
September 15, 2015 at 4:30 pm
(September 15, 2015 at 3:42 pm)Beccs Wrote: Told you someone would use that excuse.
Must really suck to be "God". You come up with a perfect masterplan; then someone eats a fruit and fucks everything up.
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RE: Unintelligent Desgin
September 15, 2015 at 5:15 pm
Wait... so not only are we punished because Adam and Eve ate a piece of fruit so long ago that none of us could have even begun to prevent it, but so are all living creatures? God sounds like a dick.
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RE: Unintelligent Desgin
September 15, 2015 at 8:53 pm
(September 15, 2015 at 3:58 pm)TRJF Wrote: (September 15, 2015 at 2:23 pm)Godschild Wrote: He didn't as far as I know, when the fall occurred all life suffered the fall, including the micro organisms. Unfortunately for us they turned to the worse side.
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Genuinely curious: is there any particular theological reason why, say, cows and pandas remained herbivores but lions and bears became carnivores, or why, say, certain types of mold/fungus/bacteria help us but certain types harm us?
I could ask the same about evolution, right. I would need to do some study on that one and at this time well... I do not have the time.
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RE: Unintelligent Desgin
September 15, 2015 at 9:26 pm
(September 15, 2015 at 11:42 am)Lek Wrote: (September 14, 2015 at 11:54 pm)Esquilax Wrote: A continuous series of consequences stemming from initial conditions within a region of spacetime we don't currently have the ability to monitor, that may appear random due to their complexity or relative smallness, but are in fact constricted by the scaffold of events immediately preceding them and the overall structure of physics at the time.
Did you have an answer to the actual question you were asked, or was your intent to try and discredit the OP with the false insinuation that if we don't have a perfectly understood answer beforehand, we have no right to question yours?
Better yet, did you really think that your question would stump anybody comfortable with not knowing everything at the current time?
I didn't dodge the question, Esquilax. I gave an honest answer. I don't know why God made all the diseases and such. The answers you and Shuffle gave were not why everything was created, but how you think they were created. You don't know why everything exists. As far as you know, there is no reason.
Your belief system holds the claim that everything has a purpose, mine doesn't. If someone asks you to prove your god, you can't say, "WeLL PRovE YOur GOd," especially when the person is an atheist. I asked you why god created bad things, and then you asked me why there are bad things. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A "WHY" TO BEGIN WITH, YOU DO. Why can't you understand that.
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RE: Unintelligent Desgin
September 15, 2015 at 9:28 pm
(September 15, 2015 at 2:23 pm)Godschild Wrote: (September 14, 2015 at 8:53 pm)Shuffle Wrote: Christians, why did god create cancers, germs, parasites and infectious, deadly diseases?
This question has probably been asked here before, but I couldn't find, so I decided to ask it now. I am NOT talking about natural disasters or accidents, I am just talking about organisms that kill millions of people daily.
Thanks!
He didn't as far as I know, when the fall occurred all life suffered the fall, including the micro organisms. Unfortunately for us they turned to the worse side.
Hm, interesting.
WHAT?! GOD DID SOMETHING WRONG?! Better blame it on a fruit!
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RE: Unintelligent Desgin
September 15, 2015 at 9:41 pm
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(September 15, 2015 at 8:53 pm)Godschild Wrote: (September 15, 2015 at 3:58 pm)TRJF Wrote: Genuinely curious: is there any particular theological reason why, say, cows and pandas remained herbivores but lions and bears became carnivores, or why, say, certain types of mold/fungus/bacteria help us but certain types harm us?
I could ask the same about evolution, right. I would need to do some study on that one and at this time well... I do not have the time.
You could ask the same, and anyone with half a brain would know the answer. It is all about mutation and natural selection. If there is a sudden environmental pressure for a certain herbivorous species to start eating meat, then whichever individual or group of that species is going to survive better than the others.
For example, there is a disease that wipes out all the plants in an area, and there is a species of herbovores there. Whichever animal has the sharpest teeth, the longest digestive track, the strongest stomach acid, and the best enzymes for digesting meat will survive and produce more than the animals that don't. His/her babies will have the same carnivorous traits, and their babies will, and so on and so on.
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RE: Unintelligent Desgin
September 15, 2015 at 10:22 pm
(September 15, 2015 at 12:51 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (September 15, 2015 at 11:42 am)Lek Wrote: I didn't dodge the question, Esquilax. I gave an honest answer. I don't know why God made all the diseases and such. The answers you and Shuffle gave were not why everything was created, but how you think they were created. You don't know why everything exists. As far as you know, there is no reason.
That's probably because the "why?" is completely unnecessary and irrelevant. Is there a problem, if the universe doesn't exist for some explicit, preordained purpose?
For me there's a problem with the existence of a universe with no purpose. I can't settle for "it's just there", especially when everything living creatures do is for some purpose. Shuffle must be interested in a reason for things too, because he's asking for reasons why God created diseases and such.
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RE: Unintelligent Desgin
September 15, 2015 at 10:27 pm
(September 15, 2015 at 9:26 pm)Shuffle Wrote: (September 15, 2015 at 11:42 am)Lek Wrote: I didn't dodge the question, Esquilax. I gave an honest answer. I don't know why God made all the diseases and such. The answers you and Shuffle gave were not why everything was created, but how you think they were created. You don't know why everything exists. As far as you know, there is no reason.
Your belief system holds the claim that everything has a purpose, mine doesn't. If someone asks you to prove your god, you can't say, "WeLL PRovE YOur GOd," especially when the person is an atheist. I asked you why god created bad things, and then you asked me why there are bad things. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A "WHY" TO BEGIN WITH, YOU DO. Why can't you understand that.
I believe he created them for some purpose. I just don't know exactly what that purpose is. I know that they are part of life on earth, and that they won't exist on the new earth. I deal with the bad things knowing that God will get me through okay.
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RE: Unintelligent Desgin
September 15, 2015 at 11:58 pm
(September 15, 2015 at 10:27 pm)Lek Wrote: (September 15, 2015 at 9:26 pm)Shuffle Wrote: Your belief system holds the claim that everything has a purpose, mine doesn't. If someone asks you to prove your god, you can't say, "WeLL PRovE YOur GOd," especially when the person is an atheist. I asked you why god created bad things, and then you asked me why there are bad things. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A "WHY" TO BEGIN WITH, YOU DO. Why can't you understand that.
I believe he created them for some purpose. I just don't know exactly what that purpose is. I know that they are part of life on earth, and that they won't exist on the new earth. I deal with the bad things knowing that God will get me through okay.
Would you say that you have a personal relationship with your god? If so, then how do you not understand the most fundemental questions of his actions?
And why did you ask me why things exist anyway?!
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