Trump?

[I_am_not_mafia]

Sanders - a socialist and who seems unelectable
??

Sanders a socialist? Boy, you don't know socialism.

I saw this and made wonder yet again what Americans have against socialism. Even the Democrat party would be considered right wing in many parts of Europe.

Maybe if they tried a spot of socialism they wouldn't be so dead set against it.

[abaris]

I saw this and made wonder yet again what Americans have against socialism. Even the Democrat party would be considered right wing in many parts of Europe.

Not rightwing. In their majority they would be considered mainstream conservative.

[KUSA]

I saw this and made wonder yet again what Americans have against socialism.

Every society must have basic elements of socialism but beyond that I am not interested.

I enjoy keeping the fruits of my labor. Being forced to share with others is not acceptable to me.

[abaris]

Being forced to share with others is not acceptable to me.

And yet you are sharing, provided you're paying taxes. The only question is, what these taxes are used for. In fact, you can't help paying taxes, since even if you manage to evade income, you're still paying for everything you buy.

[Thumpalumpacus]

The rest of the world will point and laugh.

... before going to shit as a result of his stupid decisions.

[BrokenQuill92]

If he becomes president I'm moving to Canada.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Oh, so you want to start wars all over the world too, just to show how "tough" we are?

You just don't get it do you? Any democrat will do the same thing. Obama is quite guilty of war mongering.

Not nearly so guilty as Bush. This is a false equivalence.

[BrokenQuill92]

Bernie Sanders 2016! Feel the Bern!

[Thumpalumpacus]

How many wars has he started?  Surely you understand the difference between starting a war and ending one.  Do I wish he'd ended them faster?  Yes.  But I'll settle.... especially as it looks like Afghanistan will go right down the shitter too.

He has had how long to end all these wars? Give me a break.

Yes, because they could be ended with a snap of the fingers. Bullshit and applebutter.

Bush deployed hundreds of thousands of troops and while I don't have much argument with our invasion of Afghanistan given the circumstances, the invasion of Iraq was clearly a violation of the Geneva proscription against agressive warfare.

[I_am_not_mafia]

I enjoy keeping the fruits of my labor. Being forced to share with others is not acceptable to me.

And when / if you lose the ability to earn any more fruit?

Do you take out fire or car insurance?

Everyone in society benefits if people can find the jobs they are best suited for which maximises their potential to contribute rather than take the first thing they are offered because they have no other choice. Germany's generous welfare system demonstrate this.

What if you were never given the chance to get a job because of discrimination? All your potential is lost to society and this means that everyone in the society is poorer as a result. What you are effectively saying is that you're alright Jack and you don't care about anyone else. That is until society changes and you are no longer alright.

And let's not forget that in a truly capitalistic society your costs will skyrocket. You may hate having to pay taxes if you own a shop, but those taxes pay for the emergency services. Without those you would need to pay for your own staff to protect your premises and would have no way of stopping a much larger organised criminal force from overwhelming your security guards. You would also have to pay the fire brigade. Everyone benefits from everyone paying taxes for these necessities because of the economies of scale.