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The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
#11
RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
Says the Christian who preaches at us like a bunch of particularly dense 5 year old on a daily basis.....not to mention the constant veiled insults.

Randy:
1. Comes to an atheist forum
2. Acts like a dick
3. Pretends surprise that we would react negatively in return
4......
5. Go tells Christian friends about all the angry atheists he met, when he was just preaching the word of the Good Lord and spreading Kindness and Truth!

Hey Randy, why don't you go ask some other Christian, ones who haven't treated us so disrespectfully, if they think we are any angrier than your average person? 

What you have created here, something you should be very familiar with, is a SELF FULFILLING PROPHECY.  Good job.

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#12
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I don't really give a damn what silly beliefs a person holds privately. My beef with religious people is when they step on my toes and try to enact policies based on their fantasies. In the public realm, I see no reason to be "polite" to such people. Fuck 'em. Is that too rude, Randy? Well, fuck you too. No one's begging you to be here.
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#13
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Here's another batch of nutty jesus types for Randy to insist are "misunderstood."

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/woman-fi...ious-sect/



Quote:Woman fights to keep children away from husband and his restrictive House of Yahweh religious sect

Quote:The religious group — which the cult-monitoring website Religioustolerance.org says meets 10 out of 10 criteria as a dangerous or high-risk organization — rigorously controls its members’ day-to-day life and relationships.
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#14
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It's not an obsession. More a hobby when it comes to SOME religionists.
Dying to live, living to die.
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#15
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I am currently taking bets on the amount of self-reflection this thread will cause Randy.

No one has yet to bet on anything higher than zero.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#16
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Rolleyes
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.
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(September 17, 2015 at 3:47 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: I have been fascinated by the phenomenon of the "angry atheist" ever since my arrival here in the forum. I expected and hoped to engage in intelligent discussion of our differences of opinion with the so-called "brights" of our society, but more often than not, I have been the recipient of a lot of misdirected venom.

And I'm not alone, apparently.

In this article posted at Dave Armstrong's blog, Jan Tik describes his own experiences with the angry atheists he has encountered and writes:

The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
by Jan Tik
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstro...tians.html

Quote:But if one takes a look at just about any active combox underneath an atheist post that has anything at all to do with Christianity, the usual boorish, garden variety collection of insults will be immediately observed:

Christians are gullible, infantile believers of fairy tales on the level of unicorns, Peter Pan and Tinkerbell, the Easter bunny, leprechauns, “magic,” the tooth fairy, etc. We are  anti-intellectual, anti-science, dumb, stupid, idiots, ignoramuses, and imbeciles who are impervious to evidence of any kind for our beliefs. We have a blind faith that is shielded from reason, fact, and any possible falsifiability. You name it: we’ve been called it by the sadly typical “angry / hostile” atheist.

Any curious human being, it seems to me, who observes this behavior, must marvel at both its near-universality and the extreme level of passion and vitriol involved. The question arises: “whence derives such utter disdain and derision?” It appears to be a species of a mentality that is brought to mind by the famous line of Shakespeare’s Hamlet: “The lady doth protest too much, methinks“. Source.

As I have observed and commented upon in this forum, Tik also notes:

Quote:The same people who produce the endless stream of invective against Christians and Christianity (or, “Christianity”) can (again, like all schoolyard bullies) dish it out but can’t take it. Any criticism back is met with even more highly insulting rhetoric and hyper-polemics.

Happily, there are a few members of this forum who do not fall into this pattern, but they are all too few, IMO.

Religion existed first.

There was no "Atheism" until there was Religion.

Now,

Anyone, in any argument, anywhere, who chooses to use that line from Hamlet,
unless there is demonstrably good reason for doing so, could win the argument.

Because they only way to combat that line, is to shut up and cease all protest.

And in this case, I think it was a very poor choice to employ that line.

There is no good reason for an atheist to "protest too much" against religion,
if he secretly believes in god.

Any atheist who suddenly has a spiritual awakening will suddenly find himself no longer in the minority.

What is difficult about that?

There is abundant reason, however, for someone in a close-knit church community or devout family,
who finds themselves inwardly leaning towards atheism,
to be reluctant to come out of the closet with said atheism.

Secondly, as far as being able to dish it out, but not take it...

...well, what scathing criticism of atheism do you have, as a theist,
that we haven't yet been easily able to scuttle?

Whereas the completely unproven and outrageous claims
and hypocrisies and inconsistencies of Religion,
not only lend themselves to the incredulity of Atheists,
but due to it's long-standing record of violence and oppression,
Atheists often cannot see much of a reason NOT to become hostile;
...nay, many feel there is a need, even a RESPONSIBILITY to become so...

but for the millionth time:
We are on the DEFENSIVE....RELIGION is on the OFFENSIVE.

If Religion had always been 100% consistent
and not co-dependent or controlling in its social privilege;
had never been violent or oppressive,
then Atheists probably wouldn't have become so hostile.

We might have rolled our eyes at the fairytales, or found them quaint,

....but the HOSTILITY you encounter would never have existed
had Religion not been burning people at the stake as fast as they could.


That being said,

OF COURSE there are some Theists who are, needless to say,
far more reasonable and likeable than others.

However, as an Atheist, while I like and respect a moderate, reasonable Theist, PERSONALLY,
far more than an extremist lunatic,

I cannot deny that if I was to convert to a religion, myself,
I wouldn't be moderate,
because the religious texts are not moderate, themselves.

They're pretty vengeful and bloody, in large measure.

That's why I don't belong to a religion,

and I don't understand how those "moderate" or "reasonable" Theists cannot bring themselves
to just bite the bullet and commit to abandoning their religion, entirely,
because, at its core, their religion usually is bloody and violent,
and those moderate, reasonable Theists, are not violent people.

They just seem to think that it somehow isn't enough to "allow" for the existence of a God,

...or to simply believe in a God
without feeling the need to clap some kind of superfluous belief structure onto said God.

So even those likeable, moderate, reasonable types of Theists,
if they want to get into it,
are going to have to defend why they consent to continue to be members of a violent club
if they disown the violence?

And I don't walk up to churches on Sunday and pick fights, you know.

But every time some Theist tries to do what he sees as a "well-intentioned" and "harmless" act
such as inviting me to attend his church,
or asking if I've been "Saved"
or knocking at my door and handing me a pamphlet,

they need to understand that, at its core, this could be construed as a hostile act.

because you are trying to pass off your ideology,
which is just a pile of unsubstantiated theories,
as if they are undisputed facts

...and the theories you are advancing, are, IMO, demonstrably dangerous and harmful.

They are not innocuous.

And these encroachments on the part of religion
are not limited to personal approaches on my person;
they are, more often than not, political in nature.

Such as opposing gay marriage.

After all that,
why you think that your religion doesn't deserve ridicule and hostility,
I don't know.


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#18
RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
(September 17, 2015 at 4:00 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Christians can be one of the most self-righteous and frustrating groups I have ever encountered.  I try not to insult Christians as a whole except for the occasional jab at their doctrine, because I understand that the raving evangelical is not the entire picture and that there are many live-and-let-live Christians out there. I don't condone insulting Christians, but at the same time, I do understand it.  What you guys are feeling is blowback towards what is often used as a hostile doctrine that seeks to rule other people's lives and force their beliefs on everyone else.  If you keep getting insulted, chances are there's something wrong with what you're doing.

You reap what you sow, Randy.
Exactly. Couldn't have said it better. I've put up with negative shit, excuse me, hostile doctrine from xtians for over 40 yrs. Now you want me to play nice? Probably not going to happen.

Quote from the article (underline mine): "Many have opined that the frequently unsavory nature of Internet discourse tends to bring out the loudmouths and jerks of any given group (including Christians; very much so)." Randy when you pointed one finger at us, how many were pointing back at you?

When the author talks about his conversion it's an "odyssey". When he talks about atheist deconversion it's a “testiphonies”.

This article is just another poke with the negative xtian stick. Gee thanks, that should help.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem




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#19
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Everyone here manages to be so much more succinct than me.
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#20
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(September 17, 2015 at 4:08 pm)Faith No More Wrote: I am currently taking bets on the amount of self-reflection this thread will cause Randy.

No one has yet to bet on anything higher than zero.
Can I get my Dartboard out?
If I hit in the exact center on the first try from 666 feet away I will bet he might reflect on himself.
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