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Suratal Abu Lahab (The Fatiha perspective)
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Suratal Abu Lahab (The Fatiha perspective)
When reciting Quran with Suratal Fatiha as a counter part. I thought I would give my thoughts on this example with Suratal Abu Lahab. 
 
I know many non-Muslims, including Atheists, have a problem with this Surah, why single out a man in a Surah and his wife, to go to hell. I thought I would share the Suratal Fatiha perspective with regards to the flow of Quran and the place of this Surah.

Acknowledging the praise belongs to God through his name, we know we ought to walk upon the path of his face, the praiseworthy path. Not only do we seek to walk the straight path, but we ought to find those who he has favored.
 
It seems Suratal Abu Lahab complimenting Suratal Fatiha is a warning, that, often humanity if they don't stick to God's Chosen ones and submit to God's guidance, will find themselves under the banner and leadership of such cursed souls.
 
It's inevitable that some people will be inspirited by the dark forces to oppose those who God has favored.
 
We want to be on the path of those who he has favored, out to be careful not to oppose them or be on the banner of those who oppose them.
 
This perhaps why Suratal Fatiha right away emphasized "other then those who your wrath is upon".
 
It seems "by the name of God..." is suggesting that Abu Lahab perished due to his opposition at the end to God's Name/face. 
 
Opposing Islam and Mohammad (saw) was not a personal matter, but as Quran emphasized "they don't deny you but rather the unjust reject God's Ayat".
 
Ultimately, the hate towards God's religion and chosen one and that path he calls to, is all opposition to God's Name and Ayat (proofs/instances of guidance).
 
This in it's place near the end of the Quran is then followed up with Suratal Ikhlaas. Suratal Ikhlaas can then be addressing "those astray" and the need of them becoming sincere and pure with regards to guidance, although, it's not necessarily they are those who God's wrath is upon.
 
The Last Two Surahs then remind there are dark forces that seek to misguide humanity and bar them from guidance.
 
These compliment Suratal Fatiha in that we are seeking guidance.
 
Ultimately,  the dark forces inspire people like Abu Lahab due to the reputation has gained, to oppose God's chosen ones and lead against them.
 
God manifesting his wrath towards Abu Lahab with respect to Suratal Fatiha, is saying, don't stick to such people but free from them, and recognize the enemies of those I manifested from those who I have favored and chosen them as Guides and banner, and leaders from the righteous. 
 
For they perish and cause others to perish!
 
Contrast this to Suratal Kawthar, a person who God has given such river of abundance through his name, thus telling him to connect (Salah) to his Lord and sacrifice (a symbolic ritual act of cutting off desires).
 
Who is worthy of being followed more and who does God want us to be under leadership, such a soul that has been given the Kawthar or left to our own so we are lead by the likes of Abu Lahab?
 
This shows divine wisdom in sending Messengers, revealing books, assigning leaders and guides, so as for us to be free from the likes of Abu Lahab but rather sticking to those he has favored.
 
By that we would be sticking to a praise that is of God's Name.  Ultimately, we would not be worshiping God if we disbelieve in his chosen ones for we don't recognize the light of the lord and his name, and are worshiping other then Him. 
 
It seems by the words "carrier of the wood" that his wife in fact was the main reason for his opposition, and for such a low price, opposed God's Name/face and perished.
 
We also ought to be careful, just because we are in a family or a people who are of a certain faith or religion or sect or ideology, we ought to not oppose those who God has favored specially his chosen ones.
 
The place it is in Quran will be appreciated if approached with counter part of Suratal Fatiha. Suratal Fatiha is the counter part of the Quran. 
 
And Quran come close to an end with such emphasis, to be followed by a reminder of God trying to guide the thaleen (lost) to Tawheed through rational and reminder, and to be followed by reminder of dark forces that try to keep us away from the chosen ones, mainly the famly of Mohammad and their guidance, is at the end a miracle to be appreciated.
 
How it flows with respect to the elaboration of Quran at the end is due to wisdom that God knew a certain people will mix pure ones with unclean leaders, claim to love pure exalted servants yet not be free from their enemy...this is a warning to such people.
 
I remember even a member on  another forum named TahaSyed, prayed for mercy for Sadam after Sadam died. 
 
That is what happens to you when you oppose the chosen ones, you get upset at (and many even hate) the believers hating the cursed ones, the likes of Abu Lahab, which their hate is inspired from God's Name and you end defending the likes of Mauwiya and Yazeed, and seeking to abolish their crimes.
 
If we love God and his chosen ones though, we would be free from his enemies.
 
This shows wisdom of God manifesting some of those  he has favored (ie. family of Mohammad) so to be free from the dark path of the likes of Abu Lahab. 
 
Suratal Fatiha gives us the logic we want to be on the path of those he has favored, so as to be guided upon the straight path.
 
But now with addition to that, it's saying, if Allah [swt] doesn't manifest a banner of guidance from him and sending Messengers and reveal books and appoint Guides, we are left at the mercy as to following the likes of Abu Lahab, who perish and cause others to perish.
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Do you ever post anything that isn't garbage? I mean I don't think you're a bad person or anything - quite possibly the opposite - but really, get some new material already MK.
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Why would anyone go to hell, let alone a single man and woman? You're fan fic-ing your way past the obvious, and much more difficult question. Bit like opining over just how -much- kryptonite it would take to kill superman -as a reality-...rather than how kryptonite produces the effect at all.
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(September 21, 2015 at 12:23 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Why would anyone go to hell, let alone a single man and woman?  You're fan fic-ing your way past the obvious, and much more difficult question.

Due to God's Name/face and how they react towards it.
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I know that sounds like an explanation to you, but all I see is more fan-fic..more  "because - I don't know". Even more than that..given your audience, and the way you began your post "I know atheists have a problem with"...well, I have a problem with hell, so telling me what your beliefs regarding the face of god are doesn't actually address the problem I do have. I don't think that you'll be able to accomplish what you -seem- to be setting out to accomplish, in this manner, with this atheist. If it -does- have something to do with a persons reaction to the face of god, for example......I still have the exact same problem with it that I had before you offered your beliefs as an explanation.
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If muslims spent more time working and less time praying perhaps they wouldn't be such backward shits, today.
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(September 21, 2015 at 12:32 pm)Minimalist Wrote: If muslims spent more time working and less time praying perhaps they wouldn't be such backward shits, today.

Dude.

I'm no fan of Islam's apologists than you are, but that's just prejudiced as all hell.

Not cool.
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I hope you are doing well, MK. Peace.
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Quote:I know many non-Muslims, including Atheists, have a problem with this Surah, why single out a man in a Surah and his wife, to go to hell.


They aren't singled out to go to hell, Allah forces lots of none believers and people who commit shirk to go to hell. 

There's not exactly a problem with the verse, it's exactly what you would expect from a primitive book addressed to local tribes concerning local quarrels. It's just ridiculous that this is supposed to be a document from god addressed to mankind.

Muhammad is supposed to be the messenger of the quran and supposed to have had no input into the content of it, it's just a coincidence that god seems to really really hate  Muhammad's uncle who quarrelled with Muhammad so much that they get an entire chapter in the book dedicated to them and describing their punishment.

It's ridiculous because it's clearly not addressed to all mankind, to even begin to understand the verse you have to be culturally brought up within Islam.

It's the same as me saying to you "Hey mystic knight, god told me to tell you this.... I'm going to headbutt John's nutsack into hell, and his girlfriend is going to get a kick in the head aswell."  It makes no sense unless you know who John is or why god would want to do that to him.  There's no information there for you to do anything with or make sense of.

Let's say some aliens found a quran, even if they understood the language it would make no sense just on it's own.  The quran doesn't say who Abu Lahab is, why him and his wife are being punished.  It's a primitive book of local quarrels using local idioms not a book addressed to mankind from God.


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(September 21, 2015 at 2:04 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:
(September 21, 2015 at 12:32 pm)Minimalist Wrote: If muslims spent more time working and less time praying perhaps they wouldn't be such backward shits, today.

Dude.

I'm no fan of Islam's apologists than you are, but that's just prejudiced as all hell.

Not cool.

Honestly, that's how Min rolls.  Treats all religions and their followers the same.  Some of us have just learned to expect it.
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