The Pope - After a Week In 'Murrica

[Crossless2.0]

The idea remains:

Not to stop giving to the Church because you don't want to support pedophelia.

Rather to stop giving to an organization until they fix a pretty fucking big problem.

^Yes, this^

It's not like you have to pay a cover charge to worship in your local Catholic church, and it's not as if Jesus directed his followers to sell everything they have and give it to the Church. It seems that you can have it both ways: attend the church of your choice and give what you might have contributed as an offering to an organization that carries out good work that largely conforms to your conscience.

[Whateverist]

It would make for a pretty awesome protest if all US Catholics started putting prayers written out on slips of paper the size of checks saying something like: "Praying for the church to make its priests subject to the laws of the land and to do nothing to hamper their meeting justice by those laws."

[Minimalist]

And on the topic of the Los Angeles Archdiocese:


Even without the pedophilia scandal, such misplaced priorities in spending would keep me from actively tithing. What a skewed sense of priorities! A million-dollar chair?!

While I agree with you, would you say this is equivalent to government spending on things you deem needless, but alas it's far worse in that you cannot choose not to pay taxes to support it, and if you do, you go to prison.

But catholics DO have a choice to quit and demonstrate their displeasure.  Many have.  That some have not is what is under scrutiny.

[Minimalist]

[Losty]

[brewer]

Has the vaticans position changed regarding excommunication for not keeping the "obligation of silence" since 2-2014, the date of the article I was reading?

[Minimalist]

Who were the ones that, when they found out, stood up and said this is disgusting and unacceptable and I will do everything in my power to cooperate with authorities and see these perpetrators brought to justice?

Well it sure as fuck wasn't Dolan, was it?

[Salacious B. Crumb]

I'd also like to say that not all those in power do these things, lol. It's not like everyone in the Vatican took wrong actions. The handful of those who did are guilty, but it's not like everyone was in on it. I'm sure that's what you meant, King, but wanted to specify for the others.    

I agree with this post 100%. Thanks for explaining it when I was not of the right temperament to do so.

This is why people get upset when trying to have a conversation with you, C_L. You get stuck on these ideas like "not everyone was in the wrong." That is clear, and a given. No one is saying that every single person is culpable. What we are saying is that the Church as an organization is still hiding assets, obfuscating and shuffling perpetrators, and not compensating victims. Again, not every priest is a molester, but there are still people that have molested children who are active priests. There are still Churches whom the Vatican allows to claim insolvency rather than pay victims of child rape; all the while there are items in the Vatican vault whose value lies in the hundreds of millions.

Could you please respond to PT's or my statements earlier?

It seems, from my end, that you are either incapable or simply unwilling of seeing fault in the hierarchical organization as a whole---not individual priests or parishes.