The New Covenant

[Minimalist]

[Whateverist]

You need to study the scriptures more all the answers are there.

GC

Well, the bible's answers are there. In no way are they "the" answers to anything more. Why do you people care so much about what is written in that one boring old book? Fine, believe in God if you like. I at least don't fault you for that. But to believe that all the answers are in one lame book is deadening.

[jenny1972]

christians claim that jesus was this "new covenant" but the new covenent prophesied in the old testament is only about the jews not all of humanity , christianity included gentiles also all of humanity, but thats not what the OT said

The covenant that was posted hasn't happened yet. There are scriptures in the OT about Jesus coming to save all of mankind, not just the Jews. You need to study the scriptures more all the answers are there.

GC

where at on the old testament does it say that a savior was going to come to save all of humanity from their sin?

[jenny1972]

You need to study the scriptures more all the answers are there.

GC

Well, the bible's answers are there.  In no way are they "the" answers to anything more.  Why do you people care so much about what is written in that one boring old book?  Fine, believe in God if you like.  I at least don't fault you for that.  But to believe that all the answers are in one lame book is deadening.

i know they act like they think the bible is God itself

[Whateverist]

Well, the bible's answers are there.  In no way are they "the" answers to anything more.  Why do you people care so much about what is written in that one boring old book?  Fine, believe in God if you like.  I at least don't fault you for that.  But to believe that all the answers are in one lame book is deadening.

i know they act like they think the bible is God itself

Belief in God apparently is secondary, flowing from the decision to accept the bible as the gospel.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Thousands of years ago ignorant superstitious people came up with the idea of gods to BS their fellow dummies with. Today, in the 21st Century modern world, dummies still believe in the BS those ignorant superstitious people came up with. Most of humanity has made zero progress and should still be living in caves.

[Aractus]

Want to explain to every one the bold by me in the scripture you posted, that's an important part of the passages, tell us when will it begin? It certainly hasn't yet because many Jews and some who've been on this forum do not believe in God and the passage says all will know Him.

GC

The "covenant" established by Jesus is entirely different to the one promised in Jeremiah. It is made explicit that this covenant is to replace the Mosaic covenant not the Christian covenant or some other future covenant, so you can't simply say "it hasn't happened yet" because the fact is that now it can never happen since a different covenant was proclaimed to replace the Mosaic covenant, according to all Christians.

The covenant that was posted hasn't happened yet. There are scriptures in the OT about Jesus coming to save all of mankind, not just the Jews. You need to study the scriptures more all the answers are there.

GC

No GC, you need to tell us exactly why you think the covenant prophesied in Jeremiah "will happen later" and then explain why this covenant will only includes Israelites and Judahites? The ancient kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Assyrians in the 8th century BC, and the kingdom of Judah was conquered by the Babylonians in the 6th century BC.

In Jeremiah 34, God says this is his plan. He wants his people to suffer famine, plague, and war as retribution for treating Hebrew slaves like any other slave (not freeing them after seven years). It couldn't be any clearer that the new covenant in Jer 31 directly follows the abolition of the Mosaic covenant.

[Hmmm?]

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 So I was reading my Bible, as I do, and I came across a passage in Jeremiah I'd like to share:


‘The days are coming,’ declares the Lord,
    ‘when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
    and with the people of Judah.
It will not be like the covenant
    I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
    to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
    though I was a husband to them,’
        declares the Lord.
‘This is the covenant that I will make with the people of Israel
    after that time,’ declares the Lord.
‘I will put my law in their minds
    and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
    and they will be my people.
No longer will they teach their neighbour,
    or say to one another, “Know the Lord,”
because they will all know me,
    from the least of them to the greatest,’
        declares the Lord.
‘For I will forgive their wickedness
    and will remember their sins no more.’

                                                              -Jeremiah 31:31-34

As a Christian I'd read this passage before - but never in context. This passage describes, in detail, what the New Covenant is.

It's a covenant between God and Israel/Judah. It is NOT a covenant between God and non-Jews.

It's an unconditional covenant - it doesn't require obedience or belief or any action on behalf of the Jews to receive the knowledge of God and forgiveness from God.

It is made clear this covenant wholly replaces the Mosaic covenant.

So how did Christians get it so wrong? They believe the New Covenant is one made between God and all people through Jesus Christ as the mediator. They believe forgiveness has to be earned in some way (either through repentance, by faith, or by good works depending on the denomination). And they believe in the authority of clergy to teach about God - but God says in this covenant that no one will have to teach about him because he will personally tell all the Jews himself.

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Want to explain to every one the bold by me in the scripture you posted, that's an important part of the passages, tell us when will it begin? It certainly hasn't yet because many Jews and some who've been on this forum do not believe in God and the passage says all will know Him.

GC

Deuteronomy 18:20-22, But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.



How long does the prophet get for his words to come to pass, GodsChild? 200 years? 2000 years? How could the prophet be put to death if he is predicting events that wouldn't happen for hundreds or thousands of years?

[Godscreated]

Want to explain to every one the bold by me in the scripture you posted, that's an important part of the passages, tell us when will it begin? It certainly hasn't yet because many Jews and some who've been on this forum do not believe in God and the passage says all will know Him.

GC

Deuteronomy 18:20-22, But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.



How long does the prophet get for his words to come to pass, GodsChild? 200 years? 2000 years? How could the prophet be put to death if he is predicting events that wouldn't happen for hundreds or thousands of years?

Nothing in the scriptures you posted said the prophet would be put to death, God will deal with the false prophet. Since the prophet only speaks what God tells him there's no limit on the time, it's all in God's timing.

GC

[Godscreated]

The "covenant" established by Jesus is entirely different to the one promised in Jeremiah. It is made explicit that this covenant is to replace the Mosaic covenant not the Christian covenant or some other future covenant, so you can't simply say "it hasn't happened yet" because the fact is that now it can never happen since a different covenant was proclaimed to replace the Mosaic covenant, according to all Christians.

Well that's not what you implied in the OP, you said that Christ was never meant for the gentiles when plenty of scripture tell us differently. The covenant you quoted is an end times promise, we can see that the Jews haven't to this day received the covenant  in Jeremiah.

The covenant that was posted hasn't happened yet. There are scriptures in the OT about Jesus coming to save all of mankind, not just the Jews. You need to study the scriptures more all the answers are there.

GC

No GC, you need to tell us exactly why you think the covenant prophesied in Jeremiah "will happen later" and then explain why this covenant will only includes Israelites and Judahites? The ancient kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Assyrians in the 8th century BC, and the kingdom of Judah was conquered by the Babylonians in the 6th century BC.

In Jeremiah 34, God says this is his plan. He wants his people to suffer famine, plague, and war as retribution for treating Hebrew slaves like any other slave (not freeing them after seven years). It couldn't be any clearer that the new covenant in Jer 31 directly follows the abolition of the Mosaic covenant.

Have you seen the nation of Israel living a promised covenant as the one in Jeremiah, no they never have, this covenant is for the Jews after the God sets up the New Jerusalem on earth, it is for those who didn't choose Christ during those days the ones still living the Mosaic covenant. Just a little hint for you the gentiles were never under the Mosaic covenant.

GC