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The New Covenant
November 10, 2015 at 10:01 pm
So I was reading my Bible, as I do, and I came across a passage in Jeremiah I'd like to share:
‘The days are coming,’ declares the Lord,
‘when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them,’
declares the Lord.
‘This is the covenant that I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,’ declares the Lord.
‘I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
No longer will they teach their neighbour,
or say to one another, “Know the Lord,”
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,’
declares the Lord.
‘For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.’
-Jeremiah 31:31-34
As a Christian I'd read this passage before - but never in context. This passage describes, in detail, what the New Covenant is.
It's a covenant between God and Israel/Judah. It is NOT a covenant between God and non-Jews.
It's an unconditional covenant - it doesn't require obedience or belief or any action on behalf of the Jews to receive the knowledge of God and forgiveness from God.
It is made clear this covenant wholly replaces the Mosaic covenant.
So how did Christians get it so wrong? They believe the New Covenant is one made between God and all people through Jesus Christ as the mediator. They believe forgiveness has to be earned in some way (either through repentance, by faith, or by good works depending on the denomination). And they believe in the authority of clergy to teach about God - but God says in this covenant that no one will have to teach about him because he will personally tell all the Jews himself.
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RE: The New Covenant
November 10, 2015 at 10:03 pm
Why couldn't "god" get it right the first time?
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RE: The New Covenant
November 10, 2015 at 11:16 pm
It is also quoted in full in Hebrews 8.
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The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: The New Covenant
November 10, 2015 at 11:54 pm
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good job Aractus well i know what my next thread is going to be about over on christian forums lol what can they say im just quoting scripture and asking a simple question 
wonder what the apologists will come up with should be very amusing
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RE: The New Covenant
November 11, 2015 at 12:48 am
Quoting the Bible accurately and asking tough questions is clear grounds for banning at CF... good luck Jenny.
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RE: The New Covenant
November 11, 2015 at 1:14 am
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(November 11, 2015 at 12:48 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Quoting the Bible accurately and asking tough questions is clear grounds for banning at CF... good luck Jenny.
true you have to be careful there cant really agressively debate something like that , i was just going to say something like " hi everyone i came across this and it confuses me because it says the new covenent is only for the jews and doesnt require them to do anything can someone please explain this ? i really dont understand thank you so much " lol  just want to see what they say about it not really going to debate it im sure some people will find it interesting even if its only the the non christians there they definately will think its useful and interesting fact in the bible
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RE: The New Covenant
November 11, 2015 at 1:22 am
(November 10, 2015 at 10:01 pm)Aractus Wrote: So I was reading my Bible, as I do, and I came across a passage in Jeremiah I'd like to share:
‘The days are coming,’ declares the Lord,
‘when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them,’
declares the Lord.
‘This is the covenant that I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,’ declares the Lord.
‘I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
No longer will they teach their neighbour,
or say to one another, “Know the Lord,”
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,’
declares the Lord.
‘For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.’
-Jeremiah 31:31-34
As a Christian I'd read this passage before - but never in context. This passage describes, in detail, what the New Covenant is.
It's a covenant between God and Israel/Judah. It is NOT a covenant between God and non-Jews.
It's an unconditional covenant - it doesn't require obedience or belief or any action on behalf of the Jews to receive the knowledge of God and forgiveness from God.
It is made clear this covenant wholly replaces the Mosaic covenant.
So how did Christians get it so wrong? They believe the New Covenant is one made between God and all people through Jesus Christ as the mediator. They believe forgiveness has to be earned in some way (either through repentance, by faith, or by good works depending on the denomination). And they believe in the authority of clergy to teach about God - but God says in this covenant that no one will have to teach about him because he will personally tell all the Jews himself.
Want to explain to every one the bold by me in the scripture you posted, that's an important part of the passages, tell us when will it begin? It certainly hasn't yet because many Jews and some who've been on this forum do not believe in God and the passage says all will know Him.
GC
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RE: The New Covenant
November 11, 2015 at 1:33 am
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(November 11, 2015 at 1:22 am)Godschild Wrote: (November 10, 2015 at 10:01 pm)Aractus Wrote: So I was reading my Bible, as I do, and I came across a passage in Jeremiah I'd like to share:
‘The days are coming,’ declares the Lord,
‘when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them,’
declares the Lord.
‘This is the covenant that I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,’ declares the Lord.
‘I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
No longer will they teach their neighbour,
or say to one another, “Know the Lord,”
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,’
declares the Lord.
‘For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.’
-Jeremiah 31:31-34
As a Christian I'd read this passage before - but never in context. This passage describes, in detail, what the New Covenant is.
It's a covenant between God and Israel/Judah. It is NOT a covenant between God and non-Jews.
It's an unconditional covenant - it doesn't require obedience or belief or any action on behalf of the Jews to receive the knowledge of God and forgiveness from God.
It is made clear this covenant wholly replaces the Mosaic covenant.
So how did Christians get it so wrong? They believe the New Covenant is one made between God and all people through Jesus Christ as the mediator. They believe forgiveness has to be earned in some way (either through repentance, by faith, or by good works depending on the denomination). And they believe in the authority of clergy to teach about God - but God says in this covenant that no one will have to teach about him because he will personally tell all the Jews himself.
Want to explain to every one the bold by me in the scripture you posted, that's an important part of the passages, tell us when will it begin? It certainly hasn't yet because many Jews and some who've been on this forum do not believe in God and the passage says all will know Him.
GC
christians claim that jesus was this "new covenant" but the new covenent prophesied in the old testament is only about the jews not all of humanity , christianity included gentiles also all of humanity, but thats not what the OT said
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RE: The New Covenant
November 11, 2015 at 1:42 am
Most likely explanation is that xtians don't know what the hell they are talking about.
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RE: The New Covenant
November 11, 2015 at 1:49 am
(November 11, 2015 at 1:33 am)jenny1972 Wrote: (November 11, 2015 at 1:22 am)Godschild Wrote: Want to explain to every one the bold by me in the scripture you posted, that's an important part of the passages, tell us when will it begin? It certainly hasn't yet because many Jews and some who've been on this forum do not believe in God and the passage says all will know Him.
GC
christians claim that jesus was this "new covenant" but the new covenent prophesied in the old testament is only about the jews not all of humanity , christianity included gentiles also all of humanity, but thats not what the OT said
The covenant that was posted hasn't happened yet. There are scriptures in the OT about Jesus coming to save all of mankind, not just the Jews. You need to study the scriptures more all the answers are there.
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