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(November 11, 2015 at 1:57 am)Whateverist the White Wrote:
(November 11, 2015 at 1:49 am)Godschild Wrote: You need to study the scriptures more all the answers are there.
GC
Well, the bible's answers are there. In no way are they "the" answers to anything more. Why do you people care so much about what is written in that one boring old book? Fine, believe in God if you like. I at least don't fault you for that. But to believe that all the answers are in one lame book is deadening.
The answer to all the questions anyone would have about the scriptures are in the Bible. I love that Book because it is relevant to my life and those around me, it guides me in my relationship with God, it answers every day questions I have about living my life.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(November 11, 2015 at 1:49 am)Godschild Wrote: The covenant that was posted hasn't happened yet. There are scriptures in the OT about Jesus coming to save all of mankind, not just the Jews. You need to study the scriptures more all the answers are there.
GC
where at on the old testament does it say that a savior was going to come to save all of humanity from their sin?
The OT is about Jesus and our need for Him, so read and find out I do not have the time to do research for you, besides you would just dismiss it, you want abandon your pals to agree with a Christian, why that would ruin your reputation. In my opinion that's a high price to pay to give up an eternal life with God.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
How come fucking "god" didn't know that this wasn't going to turn out so well?
Quote:5 Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the Lord, Shalt thou build me an house for me to dwell in?
6 Whereas I have not dwelt in any house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle.
7 In all the places wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spake I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people Israel, saying, Why build ye not me an house of cedar?
8 Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, from following the sheep, to be ruler over my people, over Israel:
9 And I was with thee whithersoever thou wentest, and have cut off all thine enemies out of thy sight, and have made thee a great name, like unto the name of the great men that are in the earth.
10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,
11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the Lord telleth thee that he will make thee an house.
12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
17 According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.
2 Sam 7
An 'all-knowing' god should never have plans that don't work out.
(November 10, 2015 at 10:03 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Why couldn't "god" get it right the first time?
Maybe he did. Maybe the specific purpose of the last time was to set of a chain reaction of important events including you asking that question? (Mindfuck.)
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred.
November 11, 2015 at 6:13 pm (This post was last modified: November 11, 2015 at 6:39 pm by Hmmm?.)
(November 11, 2015 at 4:56 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(November 11, 2015 at 7:19 am)Hmmm? Wrote:
Deuteronomy 18:20-22, But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
How long does the prophet get for his words to come to pass, GodsChild? 200 years? 2000 years? How could the prophet be put to death if he is predicting events that wouldn't happen for hundreds or thousands of years?
Nothing in the scriptures you posted said the prophet would be put to death, God will deal with the false prophet. Since the prophet only speaks what God tells him there's no limit on the time, it's all in God's timing.
GC
That same Hebrew word that is translated "shall die" in Deut 18:20 is Strong'sH4191 used here: Deu 13:5And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death;
...and here: Deu 17:6At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death H4191 be put to death; H4191but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death. H4191...and many other places.
King James had many helping with the 1611 translation.
Quote:"I regret that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions." Samuel was angry, and he cried out to the LORD all that night.
1 Sam 11
I'm not impressed with a 'god' who is surprised when he fucks up like a third-rate assistant manager at McDonalds who hires a guy who can't flip burgers.
(November 11, 2015 at 5:10 pm)Godschild Wrote: Well that's not what you implied in the OP, you said that Christ was never meant for the gentiles when plenty of scripture tell us differently. The covenant you quoted is an end times promise, we can see that the Jews haven't to this day received the covenant in Jeremiah.
It is not! What passage from Jeremiah makes this look like an end-times prophecy?
There are two different "new covenants" - the one in Jeremiah, and the one that Christians believe that's never really made explicit in the gospels (and is delivered by Jesus rather than Jehovah).
(November 11, 2015 at 5:10 pm)Godschild Wrote: Have you seen the nation of Israel living a promised covenant as the one in Jeremiah, no they never have, this covenant is for the Jews after the God sets up the New Jerusalem on earth, it is for those who didn't choose Christ during those days the ones still living the Mosaic covenant. Just a little hint for you the gentiles were never under the Mosaic covenant.
How is God going to establish this "new covenant" with Israel and Judah in the future when the kingdoms of both Israel and Judah have been completely destroyed?
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November 11, 2015 at 6:36 pm (This post was last modified: November 11, 2015 at 6:43 pm by jenny1972.)
(November 11, 2015 at 5:20 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(November 11, 2015 at 2:00 am)jenny1972 Wrote: where at on the old testament does it say that a savior was going to come to save all of humanity from their sin?
The OT is about Jesus and our need for Him, so read and find out I do not have the time to do research for you, besides you would just dismiss it, you want abandon your pals to agree with a Christian, why that would ruin your reputation. In my opinion that's a high price to pay to give up an eternal life with God.
GC
i looked for evidence in the old testament that the messiah was to come and save all humanity not just the jews and it wasnt in there in fact in the new testament jesus said that he only came for the jews not the gentiles
In Matthew 15:22-26 A Canaanite woman (a gentile) from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession." Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us." He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said. He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."
Jesus calls this woman a dog because she is not the right nationality and he only came for the jews and she was a gentile. jesus identified as the messiah to the jews , prophesied and in and not contradicting the old testament
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you tryNo hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also - Mark Twain
