Was Hitler a Christian?

[Brian37]

Where is God right now?

Beside you.

GC

No he isn't. Since God is nothing more than your wishful thinking and your imagination, and since you are not physically near me, your fictional super hero is NOT near me.

The only correct thing to say about all god claims is that they are popular, and in that context, yes, those claims are hard to get away from. I cant watch TV or drive down the street even look in my snail mail box without getting a sales pitch. 

And the worst part is that every claimant of every god of all names, you all think you got it right. Your "God" is no more next to me than Yoda or Harry Potter.

[Anomalocaris]

This argument is somewhat silly.  There is abundant evidence that hitler had been explicitly contemptuous of any fundamental belief that would characterize chritistianity as distinct from any other creed or religion.  Christians, whatever else they might or might not be, do not hold the belief that "Christianity is all full of shit" as Hitler evidently believed.   So he can not be considered a Christian for any purpose, regardless of whether he was baptized or was ever excommunicated, other than the most tendentious purposes.  

There is also abundant evidence that Hitler found the structure and heirachy of the Roman Catholic Church (as well as some Protestant churches) inspired for the purpose suppress skepticism, instill mindless obedience, and whipping up cultish fervor, which he would like to replicate for his own purposes. So it is not surprising he would not openly renounce Christianity.

There is also abundant evidence that he believed Christianity ought to be promoted amongst the subject races of the German Reich because that would make it easier for them to be ruled by the Aryan herrenvolk, where as the Aryana herrenvolk should not be inculcated with Christian beliefs, because that would lower them to the level of slave races. So does that support the notion he was Christian?

[Brian37]

This argument is somewhat silly.  There is abundant evidence that hitler had been explicitly contemptuous of any fundamental belief that would characterize chritistianity as distinct from any other creed or religion.  Christians, whatever else they might or might not be, do not hold the belief that "Christianity is all full of shit" as Hitler evidently believed.   So he can not be considered a Christian for any purpose, regardless of whether he was baptized or was ever excommunicated, other than the most tendentious purposes.  

There is also abundant evidence that Hitler found the structure and heirachy of the Roman Catholic Church (as well as some Protestant churches) inspired for the purpose suppress skepticism, instill mindless obedience, and whipping up cultish fervor, which he would like to replicate for his own purposes.  So it is not surprising he would not openly renounce Christianity.

There is also abundant evidence that he believed Christianity ought to be promoted amongst the subject races of the German Reich because that would make it easier for them to be ruled by the Aryan herrenvolk, where as the Aryana herrenvolk should not be inculcated with Christian beliefs, because that would lower them to the level of slave races.   So does that support the notion he was Christian?

Again, he was not a standard cookie cutter believer, no. Nobody should claim that. But HE DID have his own version of "providence". Alot like Jefferson believed that Jesus was a good guy, but also believed he was not a magic man, and that after "God" started everything, stepped aside. 

Now again, if you go and look at the articles written about his beliefs, even in that article Hitler would have ALSO murdered atheists. So it was not that he didn't believe in some higher power, but more in line that he valued absolute power for himself.

Hitler was not an atheist and with all the public things he said about God, certainly it was useful to him, but that does not change that he had his own idea about a guiding force. The reality was, he didn't give one shit about theists or atheists, he'd use both to his advantage, and murder anyone who dissented his rule.

[Minimalist]

 Christians, whatever else they might or might not be, do not hold the belief that "Christianity is all full of shit" as Hitler evidently believed.

Horseshit.

There are protestant motherfuckers who do not even consider catholics to be christians.

https://carm.org/is-catholicism-christian

No, Roman Catholicism and Christianity are not the same thing.

I'm perfectly willing to grant that disreputable title to any asshole who wants it it but it seems to be an important distinction to the alleged followers of this fictional jesus clown.

[Brian37]

Hitler was a yooge German.

"My Swastika is YUGE! Believe me, there is no problem".

[Brian37]

Oh and to say that Hitler was not influenced by Christianity, is bullshit. He got his anti Jewish ideas from Martin Luther. I think he really believed in his own twisted version of Christianity to justify German "master race" motif. I think he never got over his own insecurities growing up, and just like any youth in a gang, he looked for a "greater good" he could create and lead, and unfortunately for humanity, he was successful for a while. Fortunately for humanity, his narcissism got him to bite off more than he could chew.

[Brian37]

Oh and to say that Hitler was not influenced by Christianity, is bullshit. He got his anti Jewish ideas from Martin Luther. I think he really believed in his own twisted version of Christianity to justify German "master race" motif. I think he never got over his own insecurities growing up, and just like any youth in a gang, he looked for a "greater good" he could create and lead, and unfortunately for humanity, he was successful for a while. Fortunately for humanity, his narcissism got him to bite off more than he could chew. His horrible idea ended up with 50 million deaths on all sides, both military and civilian.

[abaris]

Oh and to say that Hitler was not influenced by Christianity, is bullshit.

There's no debate over Luther having been an antisemite, but Hitler got his ideas from Guido von Liszt, Georg Ritter von Schönerer, Karl Lueger and to a lesser degree from Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels and his periodical Ostara. He was influenced by the German national and christian social climate of Vienna in the years between 1907 and 1913.

Sorry, but there's no religious influence worth mentioning when it comes to Hitler's antisemitism, other than Karl Lueger having been the founder of the christian social party, admired by Hitler.

[Minimalist]

What shall we do with...the Jews?...I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings...are to be taken from them.
What shall we do with...the Jews?...I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews.
What shall we do with...the Jews? I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach on pain of loss of life and limb.
What shall we do with...the Jews?...set fire to their synagogues or schools and bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them.
What shall we do with...the Jews?...their homes also should be razed and destroyed.

all quotes from Martin Luther...who surely would have attained the rank of Oberstgruppenführer for his pupil Adolf.

[Brian37]

What shall we do with...the Jews?...I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings...are to be taken from them.
What shall we do with...the Jews?...I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews.
What shall we do with...the Jews? I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach on pain of loss of life and limb.
What shall we do with...the Jews?...set fire to their synagogues or schools and bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them.
What shall we do with...the Jews?...their homes also should be razed and destroyed.

all quotes from Martin Luther...who surely would have attained the rank of Oberstgruppenführer for his pupil Adolf.

Well Mein Drumpf is dealing with the Muslim and Hispanic "Question".