Naturalism

[Edwardo Piet]

It's okay. I'm drunk. And horny. Both are a distraction from rational thought.

ESPECIALLY... horny.

[robvalue]

It is kind of garbage really. As soon as something is defined to be in any way detectable, it's "natural". Until then, there can be no way to know it exists at all. But for people who believe in magic, "natural" doesn't mean much anymore anyway.

For something to be objectively supernatural it has to be forever undetectable, or else it's just temporarily beyond the scope of science. It's this ridiculous idea that people claim to have "other ways" of detecting these supernatural things that go beyond the limitation of science. I don't see how you can ever prove something is forever beyond the scope of science, especially if you've no reason to suspect it's even there in the first place.

If supernatural just means "wow man, we don't understand that yet" then that's a pretty loaded term to use.

[Edwardo Piet]

I'm drunk and horny.

[robvalue]

That's fine but just don't go near my... ah man! Oh well, I'll get another one in the new year

[Edwardo Piet]

OH fuck Rob I'm sorry I just sent you a drunken PM apologies for retardation and too much love from a friend. Don't worry it's nothing sexual and entirely platonic love you so drunk and blurry OH I WISH THIS WORLD WAS MORE COMPASSIONATE PLAIN AND SIMPLE MY DRUNKEN SELF DOESN'T LET INHIBITIONS GET IN THE WAY OF HIS COMPASSION:

lol..............can you tell i'm drunk? I'm not a nasty drunk i'm a happy drunk love you all i want this forum to feel good i love you all <3

Listening to this, for what it's worth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjMoWxwW8tQ

[robvalue]

That's OK! It's a lovely message and I appreciate it, thank you

[Edwardo Piet]

Wow I really was drunk yesterday though wasn't I? Lol.

[Sal]

I'm a materialist when it comes down to it, philosophically speaking.

I've had the god thing thrown at me so many times without ducking ... nothing interesting happens.

But throw a material rock at me, and you can be sure as hell I'm gonna duck for cover.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

My first problem with this whole issue is this: what is a supernatural thing? I have yet to hear a sensible definition.

Anything that cannot be explained using our scientific methods.

[Jenny A]

I would define supernatural as anything that contradicts the laws of nature. The first problem being the underlying assumption that we know all of the rules of nature. The second being that if phenomenon follows any pattern at all, then it would appear to be following a natural law of some kind. Which leaves me with a more personal definition: supernatural is that which one person doesn't understand and intends never to understand. Obviously, it's in the eye of the beholder.