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Douglas Murray: Islam is not a peaceful religion
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Douglas Murray: Islam is not a peaceful religion
Written after the Charlie Hebdo attacks.

http://twitter.com/spectator/status/681592187298144256
Quote:‘Religion of peace’ is not a harmless platitude
Douglas Murray

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/12/rel...atitude-2/

Here we land at the centre of the problem — a centre we have spent the last decade and a half trying to avoid: Islam is not a peaceful religion. No religion is, but Islam is especially not. It is certainly not, as some ill-informed people say, solely a religion of war. There are many peaceful verses in the Quran which — luckily for us — most Muslims live by. But it is by no means only a religion of peace.

I say this not because I hate Islam, nor do I have any special animus against Muslims, but simply because this is the verifiable truth based on the texts. Until we accept that we will never defeat the violence...

It is not surprising that politicians have tried to avoid this debate by spinning a lie. The world would be an infinitely safer place if the historical Mohammed had behaved more like Buddha or Jesus. But he did not and an increasing number of people — Muslim and non-Muslim — have been able to learn this for themselves in recent years...

Contra the political leaders, the Charlie Hebdo murderers were not lunatics without motive, but highly motivated extremists intent on enforcing Islamic blasphemy laws in 21st-century Europe. If you do not know the ideology — perverted or plausible though it may be — you can neither understand nor prevent such attacks. Nor, without knowing some Islamic history, could you understand why — whether in Mumbai or Paris — the Islamists always target the Jews.

... But at some point he said that one reason Muslims shouldn’t react to such cartoons is that Mohammed never objected to critics.

There may be some positive things to be said about Mohammed, but I thought this was pushing things too far and mentioned just one occasion when Mohammed didn’t welcome a critic. Asma bint Marwan was a female poetess who mocked the ‘Prophet’ and who, as a result, Mohammed had killed. It is in the texts. It is not a problem for me. But I can understand why it is a problem for decent Muslims. The moment I said this, my Muslim colleague went berserk. How dare I say this? I replied that it was in the Hadith and had a respectable chain of transmission (an important debate). He said it was a fabrication which he would not allow to stand. The upshot was that he refused to continue unless all mention of this was wiped from the recording. The BBC team agreed and I was left trying to find another way to express the same point. The broadcast had this ‘offensive’ fact left out.

I cannot imagine another religious discussion where this would happen, but it is perfectly normal when discussing Islam. On that occasion I chose one case, but I could have chosen many others, such as the hundreds of Jews Mohammed beheaded with his own hand. Again, that’s in the mainstream Islamic sources. I haven’t made it up. It used to be a problem for Muslims to rationalise, but now there are people trying to imitate such behaviour in our societies it has become a problem for all of us, and I don’t see why people in the free world should have to lie about what we read in historical texts.

... We might all agree that the history of Christianity has hardly been un-bloody. But is it not worth asking whether the history of Christianity would have been more bloody or less bloody if, instead of telling his followers to ‘turn the other cheek’, Jesus had called (even once) for his disciples to ‘slay’ non–believers and chop off their heads? ...

We have spent 15 years pretending things about Islam, a complex religion with competing interpretations... But the results of ongoing mass immigration to the West at the same time as a worldwide return to Islamic literalism means that this is now a problem for all of us. To stand even a chance of dealing with it, we are going to have to wake up to it and acknowledge it for what it is.
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RE: Douglas Murray: Islam is not a peaceful religion
It doesn't really matter if Muhammad acted more like Jesus. We've seen the kinds of things christians have done historically, despite Jesus being seen as a hippie proto-communist at times.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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RE: Douglas Murray: Islam is not a peaceful religion
I like Dougie. I thought when I first saw him he'd be one of those preachy ultra far left liberal feminist types but he's actually as level headed and dead on as Hitch whenever I've seen him talk.
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RE: Douglas Murray: Islam is not a peaceful religion
I would say there is a problem with hadiths. If the person has so much faith in hadiths, surely he would believe in the miracles of the Prophet attributed to him in those. But he doesn't. 

Quran teaches the opposite. It showed people were insulting the Prophet, but that he should bear patience on what they say. It didn't say go kill them for that.

I agree there is a problem with Islam and how the Prophet is portrayed and the teachings attributed to him, but, to me, unless you can prove a certain evil through Quran, it should not be taken as a fact. Having a reliable chain means nothing when Ilmel Rijaal is not science but a subjective opinion of people who had motives of their own and didn't know and had no way of knowing who is truly truthful and who is liar.
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