God's Promises

[Rhondazvous]

Joshua 17:18 says, "though the Canaanites have chariots fitted with iron and though they are strong, you can drive them out."

Here god makes a promise to his people. But then we read in Judges that certain people could not be driven out because they had chariots of iron.

I won’t quote Judges 1:19 here because different versions say quite different things. King James tells us it was god who could not drive the people out because they had chariots of iron. The NIV tells us it was the Israelites who could not drive the people out because their chariots had been fitted with iron.

This is just a Snickers bar. Anyway you interpret it, it comes up peanuts for anyone who trusted in god’s promises.

Human beings break promises all the time and we forgive them. We understand the extenuating circumstances that prohibited them from doing what they had sincerely wanted to do. But if god’s promises are no more reliable than the promises of humans, if they are subject to the same turns of events, how can we know that between now and the end time something unforeseen by god might happen to make it impossible to keep his promise of salvation? If god could not foresee his inability to defeat people with chariots of iron, how can he be trusted to foresee things that don’t yet exist?

[vorlon13]

Mormons have no problem with God changing his mind on most anything whenever he wants. Guess reneging on some promises would not surprise them nor cause any burble in their faith either.

Why don't falsifiable claims ever result in a religiousite concluding their faith was thereby falsified ??

[Losty]

What god?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Genesis 15:18 - 'In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates.'

From the Nile to the Euphrates would include most (or all) of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq. Even the most vehement apologist imaginable can't make the case that the Jews ever controlled this much territory.

Boru

[Rhondazvous]

Genesis 15:18 - 'In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates.'

From the Nile to the Euphrates would include most (or all) of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq.  Even the most vehement apologist imaginable can't make the case that the Jews ever controlled this much territory.

Boru

Man told the truth right here. Where are the Jews today? Those phony proselytes running around the middle east ccalling themselves Jews don't have the slightest connection to Abraham.

[dyresand]

Genesis 15:18 - 'In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates.'

From the Nile to the Euphrates would include most (or all) of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq.  Even the most vehement apologist imaginable can't make the case that the Jews ever controlled this much territory.

Boru

Man told the truth right here. Where are the Jews today? Those phony proselytes running around the middle east calling themselves Jews don't have the slightest connection to Abraham.

Because well the jews were never slaves nor they went to Egypt or were slaves, the biblical jews never existed.

[Rhondazvous]

Because well the jews were never slaves nor they went to Egypt or were slaves, the biblical jews never existed.

Even in the Bible, the Jews told Jesus that they had never been in bondage and he did not disabuse them on that.

Are you saying that there is no mention of Jews in extra-biblical texts dated B.C.E.? Or are you saying that Jews existed historically but the biblical depiction of ancient Jews is just fabrication?

[dyresand]

Because well the jews were never slaves nor they went to Egypt or were slaves, the biblical jews never existed.

Even in the Bible, the Jews told Jesus that they had never been in bondage and he did not disabuse them on that.

Are you saying that there is no mention of Jews in extra-biblical texts dated B.C.E.? Or are you saying that Jews existed historically but the biblical depiction of ancient Jews is just fabrication?

I had a bunch of information written out and my browser crashed but here is the gist of what i wrote 

Ramses II -  birth 1303 bc dead 1213

The account of Exodus takes place in 1446 bc. 
 
By the time the biblical account of Exodus happens Moses freeing the Jews etc. Ramses is already dead 
then who is the Pharaoh they are talking about. If you look at a map i mean even if they were to wander
the desert the jews really shouldn't have gotten into Egypt at all. The only way would have is they 
walked there on purpose but even then looking at Egypt historically speaking there was no village/town
or religion at all there during any dates what so ever. Historically speaking the jews never went to Egypt,
they were never enslaved at all.

[pgrimes15]

Joshua 17:18 says, "though the Canaanites have chariots fitted with iron and though they are strong, you can drive them out."

Wasn't this still the bronze age ?

[dyresand]

Joshua 17:18 says, "though the Canaanites have chariots fitted with iron and though they are strong, you can drive them out."

Wasn't this still the bronze age ?

yes it was still the bronze age.