Meaningful ideas and quotes

[Belacqua]

Do you agree with Russell's judgment here?

I'd be very interested to see the passages from Nietzsche which Russell uses to reach these conclusions. I certainly don't remember anything in any of Nietzsche's books which expresses admiration for those "whose glory is cleverness in causing men to die." In fact quite the opposite. And the conquerors? And contemplation of pain? Really? 

Without context I see no reason for Russell to reach these conclusions. Other than the quote, is there anything to show us that he's correct?

You'll have to take that up with Lord Russell.

Boru

Why did you quote it here?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Because this is a quote thread.  I'm funny like that. Didn't make much sense to quote it in 'Sports and Fitness'.

Boru

[Belacqua]

Because this is a quote thread.  I'm funny like that. Didn't make much sense to quote it in 'Sports and Fitness'.

Boru

I found the source of the quote. Like you, Russell prefers to make his assertions without any quote from Nietzsche at all, or any arguments other than his own assertions. 

The quote comes from a book published, significantly, in 1945. Due to the lies of the Nazis and the gullibility of Nietzsche's sister, anglophones still thought of Nietzsche as a Nazi, and that Nazi "philosophy" in some way derived from him. 

Russell at the time didn't have the benefit of the important work done by Kaufmann in showing us what Nietzsche had actually said, and how it had been misconstrued after his death, through no fault of his own. 

It's disappointing to see Russell making such an unsupported set of assertions, and equally disappointing to see that people are still taking it seriously, even after scholarship and a careful reading of the books themselves show his view to be overly simple, at best.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

'There are no facts, only interpretations.' - Nietzsche

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

'You cannot loosen a man's tongue with root beer.' - Ancient Klingon proverb

Boru

[The Valkyrie]

'You cannot loosen a man's tongue with root beer.' - Ancient Klingon proverb

Boru

“But pliers and a good blade will always work.”
- random unknown Wellington based individual

[Gwaithmir]

'You cannot loosen a man's tongue with root beer.' - Ancient Klingon proverb

Boru

"That Red Baron is smart. He never spends the night before a mission carousing and drinking root beer." (Snoopy) 

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

'One I determined that my God-given male member would give me no peace, I decided to give it no rest in return.' - Christopher Hitchens

Boru

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[The Valkyrie]

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- Thomas H Palmer

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