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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
January 13, 2016 at 7:06 pm
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Seems you left one of my questions out and didn't address it. No worries, I'm sure it was a mistake. Let me repeat:
What if there's something God doesn't know? He can never say there isn't, because he wouldn't know about it if there was.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
January 13, 2016 at 7:07 pm
(January 13, 2016 at 7:06 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Seems you left one of my questions out and didn't address it. No worries, I'm sure it was a mistake. Let me repeat:
What if there's something God doesn't know? He can never say there isn't.
That's a loaded question.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
January 13, 2016 at 7:09 pm
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(January 13, 2016 at 7:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (January 13, 2016 at 7:06 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Seems you left one of my questions out and didn't address it. No worries, I'm sure it was a mistake. Let me repeat:
What if there's something God doesn't know? He can never say there isn't.
That's a loaded question.
It's just a hypothetical.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
January 13, 2016 at 7:14 pm
MK, I'd suggest that you need to get out more but I'm afraid of what might happen if you did.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
January 13, 2016 at 7:24 pm
(January 13, 2016 at 7:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (January 13, 2016 at 7:06 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Seems you left one of my questions out and didn't address it. No worries, I'm sure it was a mistake. Let me repeat:
What if there's something God doesn't know? He can never say there isn't.
That's a loaded question.
Think about it, at least.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
January 13, 2016 at 7:30 pm
(January 13, 2016 at 7:00 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: He is sheer perfection with the utmost standard of perfection.
Nobody can claim this fatuous bullshit as knowledge, nobody. How could anyone possibly know this outside of it simply being imagined? Unsubstantiated assertion.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
January 13, 2016 at 7:31 pm
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Don't take it personally Camus, Mystic doesn't blame -you- for denying god, or your belief in it (  ). He's pretty sure there's a demon uttering cantrips over your "heart".
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
January 13, 2016 at 7:49 pm
(January 13, 2016 at 6:31 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (January 13, 2016 at 11:03 am)wallym Wrote: I don't see a need to believe anything has true value.
When we do a good action, for example, a courageous one, does it can inherited or does it's value just matter how much we appreciate the act or others appreciate? Or does it actually increase the objective value of who we are? You will notice, you believe people's good actions inherit part of them. When you do a good act, you are in a state. That state is not lost but is inherited to the value/scale/measurement of your soul.
This is one of the evidences of it. Surely one who perceives our true value and makes us inherit the actions exists.
We appreciate actions because we believe in the value of the state of the person was in, not merely out of utility. We appreciate the love, the generosity or the courage of the person for example in the state. We don't simply assign value to it, but we believe there is a value to it, and we praise it, and then we acknowledge that person has inherited that action. This is our nature. We all act like this even if we don't acknowledge it outwardly. This is how we act. It's like we all acknowledge the spiritual world, it's system, and it's Lord but are playing pretend I don't see nothing all because it's not detected by the five senses, but is perception within our souls.
Each of us values a courageous act according to our own biology/psychology. We are not measuring the value of the act, we are measuring the value our individual brains assign to the act. The value of the act alone does not exist that we can identify. But the value to the individual can be mapped out in our brains. Either represented on a shallow level, say "rate how important this act was from 1 to 10" or on a physical level (in theory) by mapping out brain activity like we were looking through computer code. The latter is important, because it makes the value something tangible that existence is a certainty.
I think you are correct in that we do not appear to behave out of utility, but I'd say we do, it's just not evident on the surface. Millenniums of evolution, and our ability to make stuff up has led to some psychological/biological quirks that while not utilitarian, exist none-the-less. And that, I think, leads to utility in believing there is value in love and generosity.
During your brief stint as an atheist, did you not say you were in a state of despair? But by believing in what you believe in, you're a much happier person. There is an immense amount of utility in that whether it is true or not.
It's all quite interesting.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
January 13, 2016 at 7:53 pm
Our brains assign value to the acts because they believe that state of the person has value objectively. Whether there exists such a thing is different to say that we assign value due to belief in the objective value.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
January 13, 2016 at 8:16 pm
When you say "our" it erroneously includes me, at the least. Your brain might do that, mine does not.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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