vote Donald trump!?

[Pat Mustard]

Meh, everything outside the CIA controlled main stream media is labeled extremist.

This whole thing regarding David Duke is complete BS. He disavowed him, Duke said he doesn't endorse him but will vote for him. This is just one of many establishment dirty tricks to smear. When they lie to their audiences, they know those that believe the MSM will swallow and not spit.

They have an agenda, and if information doesn't fit the controlled paradigm it's not talked about, but that which can manipulate the masses is pushed long and hard, because in the end they are fucking you.

http://www.infowars.com/bern-like-hell-s...e-sanders/

The media is NOT controlled by the CIA or any other group, Citizen.

Such groups are only invented by the people who don't understand how government works.

Your location has been noted.

Please wait where you are.

Someone will be with you soon to take you for re-education.

When did they get you, O'Brien?

[Pat Mustard]

From what I can tell, a vast swathe of the US would qualify as low IQ country.

You're way off in your perception.

The countries who's inhabitants have the lowest IQ are mostly African.

https://iq-research.org/en/page/average-iq-by-country

https://www.google.com/fusiontables/Data...#rows:id=1

https://www.google.co.uk/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=F...ial+guinea

The USA is joint 9th on most rankings.

The highest are mostly around Asia.  Hong Kong, South Korea, Japan.

You do realise that iq says pretty much fuck all about intelligence. All it is is a measure of ones ability and means to train towards a rote learning multiple choice test. Yes, extremely low scores do indicate idiocy, but anybody within one SD of the mean can massively icrease their iq score with enough practise and coaching.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Actually, by expanding  his comments from Mexicans to immigrants from all Latin American countries, he goes beyond being against a single nationality -- which is a bigotry in itself -- to racism, which is a specialized form of bigotry.

Simply because you refuse to see it doesn't mean it isn't there. It just means you're blind to it.

In case you don't know it there are hundreds of millions of whites in Latin American countries.  So how is it racist for a white guy to restrict immigration from Latin America?  And Mexico is run by white people.  BTW, according to US law since 1897 Mexicans are white even if they don't look like white English people. 
https://academic.udayton.edu/race/01race...tm#Mexican
But the brown skinned Mexicans don't run Mexico, only the white ones do

Speaking of Mexico, before July 1935 they wouldn't let black Americans visit the country.  They were catering to the American bigots who treated black citizens like dirt and didn't want them to experience a Jim Crow free country south of the border.  That's racism & bigotry in action.  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/vieilles_a...428147638/

[I_am_not_mafia]

I've always found it quite odd how many Americans seem to equate IQ with intelligence. They seem to use the words interchangeably. Like one guy on Facebook I encountered talked about the high IQ of Drumpf and Sarah Palin and how they were in the top 99%. Apart from not being able to substantiate such a figure, the guy couldn't respond when it was pointed out that having the skills to sell yourself is not the same thing as having specific skills that a leader needs such as diplomacy, logistics, scientific literacy for example.

Intelligence requires an environment to adapt to and depending on the environment that will require different skills. A human would not be intelligent for example if they have been raised since birth in a sensory deprivation chamber with tubes delivering all their bodily. Dogs seem pretty stupid to us when placed in a human environment, but their sense of smell is so much better than ours. They can smell things that we would not think even possible. Most of the brain is devoted to fundamentally important functions, like vision, smell, hearing, proprioception etc.

[paulpablo]

In relation to the resources question, that's the point I was making. Tool manipulation, the ability to gain resources, forward planning, team work, industry, delayed gratification that comes with forward planning. They point to higher intelligence.
Selling the land you have for instant gratification and resources without forward planning, with no thought about industry,  can be signs of low intelligence.

Or desperation. Or being chased off the land by a religious rebellion or autocrat.

There are several possibilities. The fact that you stick to your own, and beg the question in your reply, says much about the (lack of) depth of thinking you've given this topic.

No I do take into account other possibilities, what I'm saying is simply that the things I mentioned are signs of higher intelligence.  When people judge the intelligence of other animals it's the same things they look for, how well they use tools, forward planning, use of resources.

So you could say maybe the countries in Africa don't mine their own resources and sell the land to investors for immediate gratification because they are desperate, they don't score well on IQ tests because the tests are bias towards Asians and against Africans for some reason, countries in Asia have something in the land that helped the inhabitants in terms of agriculture, literacy, inventions and technology, the education system in their own country and in America is bias towards them, and the jobs market is also bias towards them.  And in terms of crime rates it might just be Asian privilege as to why their reported crime rates are so low in America.

[LastPoet]

Sure, you're not talking about Portugal? At least that's what the rightwingers wanted us to believe around 2010, back when Portugal was in need of funds. You can add slackers to the mix, since it was one of the talking points. The same rightwingers you're supporting now. Even the same faces. They just found some new countries and groups to bash in the meantime. Since that's all they can do. Bash, to score some brownie points with the most primitive elements of any given population.

As I already said. Perfect example of lesson not learned.

Nothing like living in a country, that crooked politicians fucked up (we did voted him in, sure, after the end of dictatorship, with an aged and mostly illeterate population) and be called by what would be our European partners all that. Some even consider us kinda "brown". Like the famous acronym PIIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain) made at the time. The money was lended to Portugal with interest. Our finantial system was and still is flawed, but we are doing our best to pay ot off and honour our commitements to the EU.

Personally, I believe that if we can unite this old continent, we will be going in the right direction, but with the rise of xenophobia and bigotry, a product of selfishness, this wont be an easy task. Haven't we learned anything from past mostakes?

[abaris]

Personally, I believe that if we can unite this old continent, we will be going in the right direction, but with the rise of xenophobia and bigotry, a product of selfishness, this wont be an easy task. Haven't we learned anything from past mostakes?

That's what I voted for in 1994. Not some neocon experiment. But today it looks to be farther away than ever. The primitives that gave us the last century of unchained nationalism are taking over more and more countries. The only message being, ugha, bugha, my dick's bigger than yours.

[Thumpalumpacus]

No I do take into account other possibilities, what I'm saying is simply that the things I mentioned are signs of higher intelligence.  When people judge the intelligence of other animals it's the same things they look for, how well they use tools, forward planning, use of resources.

They're also the result of other factors, is my point. Until you actually demonstrate that the results are coming from intelligence or its lack, you're simply engaged in the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, because tool use can also be a function of exposure to tools, training, ability to afford tools, sufficient need for tools -- there are many reasons why a person may or may not know how to use tools.

Until you have demonstrated your opinion, the only thing you are illuminating is your own bias. You clearly aren't addressing any of the points I'm making about the different causes; you are simply repeating your point, and as I said earlier, repeating your point is not supporting it. You have an opinion? Great. I find it terribly unconvincing, limited and incomplete as it is.

So you could say maybe the countries in Africa don't mine their own resources and sell the land to investors for immediate gratification because they are desperate, they don't score well on IQ tests because the tests are bias towards Asians and against Africans for some reason, countries in Asia have something in the land that helped the inhabitants in terms of agriculture, literacy, inventions and technology, the education system in their own country and in America is bias towards them, and the jobs market is also bias towards them.  

No, I didn't say anything about bias in the educational system in America affecting Africans, who obviously don't attend American schools, nor did I say Asian countries "had something in the land that helped inhabitants", nor any of that other claptrap.

You seem incapable of recognizing a strawman when it is your own.

And in terms of crime rates it might just be Asian privilege as to why their reported crime rates are so low in America.

Again, I never said this, but I wanted to isolate this to give you one more example of multivariate thinking. It is possible, I suppose, that your misreading of my point is actually true, that "Asian privilege" is why they have low crime rates. It is entirely possible, too, that it is simply the fact that households with higher incomes tend to produce less criminal behavior. It is also a fact that Asian cultures tend to place higher emphasis on group unity and respect for sociocultural norms, both attitudes which would tend to militate against criminal activity.

You see, when you're talking about the cultural behaviors of animals as complicated as humans, reaching for one reason to explain differences is absurdly simplistic. Of course, it takes more work to see past your own biases. The problem in this conversation is that you're giving entirely too much weight to innate intelligence as an explanation, without justification. And when I ask you about it, you point to results that can be explained a number of ways, but cite them only as evidence for your own view, without demonstrating the causality you claim links them.

[LastPoet]

That's what I voted for in 1994. Not some neocon experiment. But today it looks to be farther away than ever. The primitives that gave us the last century of unchained nationalism are taking over more and more countries. The only message being, ugha, bugha, my dick's bigger than yours.

Nobody talks about the new portuguese immigrants. They are well educated professionals, that only leave, given the dire situation on the country. I am one of the stubborn ones, personal choices and all that. There was a time we were taking other people's jobs in construction and other considered 'menial' jobs (I wonder what is this class system on jobs, as usually a garbage man does make a useful one, getting rid of the squalor)vwas talked about in the 80'es. Not anymore. The most probable answer is demagogery, as I fell for it -.-;

It's all fear mongering, they have nothing else. I voted for a politician here that had the right words. Turns out that she allied her party to the socialists and communists she vexxed as corrupt during the campaign. I will not be fooled so easily again...

[paulpablo]

No I do take into account other possibilities, what I'm saying is simply that the things I mentioned are signs of higher intelligence.  When people judge the intelligence of other animals it's the same things they look for, how well they use tools, forward planning, use of resources.

They're also the result of other factors, is my point.  Until you actually demonstrate that the results are coming from intelligence or its lack, you're simply engaged in the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, because tool use can also be a function of exposure to tools, training, ability to afford tools, sufficient need for tools -- there are many reasons why a person may or may not know how to use tools.

Until you have demonstrated your opinion, the only thing you are illuminating is your own bias. You clearly aren't addressing any of the points I'm making about the different causes; you are simply repeating your point, and as I said earlier, repeating your point is not supporting it. You have an opinion?  Great.  I find it terribly unconvincing, limited and incomplete as it is.

So you could say maybe the countries in Africa don't mine their own resources and sell the land to investors for immediate gratification because they are desperate, they don't score well on IQ tests because the tests are bias towards Asians and against Africans for some reason, countries in Asia have something in the land that helped the inhabitants in terms of agriculture, literacy, inventions and technology, the education system in their own country and in America is bias towards them, and the jobs market is also bias towards them.  

No, I didn't say anything about bias in the educational system in America affecting Africans, who obviously don't attend American schools, nor did I say Asian countries "had something in the land that helped inhabitants", nor any of that other claptrap.

You seem incapable of recognizing a strawman when it is your own.

And in terms of crime rates it might just be Asian privilege as to why their reported crime rates are so low in America.

Again, I never said this, but I wanted to isolate this to give you one more example of multivariate thinking. It is possible, I suppose, that your misreading of my point is actually true, that "Asian privilege" is why they have low crime rates. It is entirely possible, too, that it is simply the fact that households with higher incomes tend to produce less criminal behavior.  It is also a fact that Asian cultures tend to place higher emphasis on group unity and respect for sociocultural norms, both attitudes which would tend to militate against criminal activity.

You see, when you're talking about the cultural behaviors of animals as complicated as humans, reaching for one reason to explain differences is absurdly simplistic. Of course, it takes more work to see past your own biases. The problem in this conversation is that you're giving entirely too much weight to innate intelligence as an explanation, without justification.  And when I ask you about it, you point to results that can be explained a number of ways, but cite them only as evidence for your own view, without demonstrating the causality you claim links them.

When I was talking about Asians and Africans performance in American jobs and schools I was talking about Asian Americans and African Americans, I know that the education system in America won't affect the education of children in Africa or China.  What I'm saying is if they're in American schools Asian Americans in general perform better academically than African Americans, if they're in their own schools in their own countries they still perform better.

Yeh I realize it's just my opinion and economy, education, lifespan, academic success, job success, technological innovation, high IQ results, low crime rates, team work, delayed gratification, forward planning and such can all be explained by other factors definitely.  I'm not qualified enough to disagree with you about it, I am addressing what you're saying and I'm saying you could be right, but in my humble opinion there's so many factors pointing a higher intelligence on average in certain Asian countries than in several African countries.
I'm don't consider myself bias, I'm not African, I'm not South Korean or Japanese, I have no vendetta against Africans or a need to glorify the achievements of China, I have no invested interest in stating my observations.

It's definitely not the case in all Asian countries, the Philipines exhibits signs of having less intelligent inhabitants than South Korea for example, with the South Korean high IQ results, relatively high suicide rate, a high value put on the education system, forward planning and so on.