vote Donald trump!?

[Thumpalumpacus]

Exactly.  Those were the primaries and caucuses.  The electoral votes are awarded after election day.  Since Trump and the Repubs had more voters chances are he will win those States if the Repubs show up.  Those States went Dem in the last election.

Still don't understand the difference between primaries and the general, I see. Those states went Dem in the last general election. This was not a general election.

Republicans showed up in order to vote for or against Trump, because he's a polarizing candidate. What do you think his dipshittery will do for Democrat turnout? Think the Dems will stay home with the possibility of such a nutty cocksucker winning the Oval Office?

I don't.

[downbeatplumb]

We don't hate immigrants. That is your false claim.

Damn it KUSA again, just like liberal and moderate Muslims, you make the "not all argument". NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT YOU PERSONALLY, there are more Trump voters than just you. You focus on his economics, but he is STILL pandering to fear and bigotry to get the racist vote.

There is no reason for him to use the word "rapists" when talking about immigrant Mexicans. He doesn't aim that at you, he aims that at gullible fear mongers who buy into that narrative. He knows damned well he isn't going to get the "Great White Wall" built, he is pandering to racists. You go along for the ride because he's rich and he sells you the "the streets will be paved with gold" bullshit. 

YOU may not hate Mexicans, but you are NOT all his followers. 

He is selling hyper nationalism and tough talk, it is all bluster and bullshit and even you said he would "calm down" in the general. I don't give a fuck. If it is show, as you say, then that makes him a sick fuck implying a "final solution". Again, this shit is a game to him, but the problem is, REAL HUMANS will be hurt by his vile rhetoric.

It comes down to this a Trump supporter may not themselves be racist. But he is certainly the candidate that racists are most drawn to, his endorsement by the KKK is a small sign of this. What it boils down to is that trump has realised that horrible people have votes to and there seem to be enough of them in the US to make a difference.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Regarding the illegal immigrants, all of his supporters on here have completely ignored my point that building a wall is ineffective and the most costly measure for keeping out illegal immigrants. There's not just a cost to build it, but to maintain it and guard it as well. You could need guards stationed all along the wall all the time. They also ignore the point that it would be far cheaper and more effective to enforce the law and to stop companies like Drumpf's in hiring illegal immigrants in the first place.

The laws will be enforced when he is in office. The illegals will be sent back and or put in prison.

So why do you need an expensive wall? If there aren't any jobs for the illegal immigrants and they can't get apply for any money then they won't come.

Also you're still ignoring "There's not just a cost to build it, but to maintain it and guard it as well. You would need guards stationed all along the wall all the time"

[I_am_not_mafia]

Regarding the illegal immigrants, all of his supporters on here have completely ignored my point that building a wall is ineffective and the most costly measure for keeping out illegal immigrants.

That makes the wall a job creator.  So that's a good thing. It will bring new money into the border towns.

This is the broken window fallacy or glazier's fallacy. In short the money would still be spent if the wall was not being built and could be better spent going elsewhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of...ken_window

Suppose it cost six francs to repair the damage, and you say that the accident brings six francs to the glazier's trade – that it encourages that trade to the amount of six francs – I grant it; I have not a word to say against it; you reason justly. The glazier comes, performs his task, receives his six francs, rubs his hands, and, in his heart, blesses the careless child. All this is that which is seen.

But if, on the other hand, you come to the conclusion, as is too often the case, that it is a good thing to break windows, that it causes money to circulate, and that the encouragement of industry in general will be the result of it, you will oblige me to call out, "Stop there! Your theory is confined to that which is seen; it takes no account of that which is not seen."

It is not seen that as our shopkeeper has spent six francs upon one thing, he cannot spend them upon another. It is not seen that if he had not had a window to replace, he would, perhaps, have replaced his old shoes, or added another book to his library. In short, he would have employed his six francs in some way, which this accident has prevented.[1]

[I_am_not_mafia]

I personally have no objection to the idea that Drumpf is not part of the establishment. Fascists never are until they win power. This is why I am more scared of Drumpf than Cruz.

But not being part of the establishment is not the same as anti-establishment.

Fascists either continue becoming more radical once they gain power before destroying their own countries, or if you're lucky they evolve into an authoritarian dictatorship that Cruz probably dreams of.

Whether Drumpf is an-establishment* or anti-establishment makes no difference. He's still only going to be serving his own self interests.


*I am assuming anestablishment means lacking a position in the establishment. In the same way that atheist means to lack a belief in a god, and anorgasmic means to lack the ability to have orgasms, the extra n inserted because the stem word begins with a vowel.

[Brian37]

With Trump being the establishment, that's rich. Why exactly would he go against his own interests?

How is Trump establishment when the establishment hates Trump? Being a billionaire real estate mogul doesn't make you establishment. I don't think you understand how far up the establishment is on the social ladder. The super class consist of about 6000 people world wide according to the Kissenger group.

http://www.amazon.com/Superclass-Global-...0374531617

"Establishment" refers to the politicians not non politicians. But he is part of the plutocracy. And it is bullshit for him to run saying "I don't need anyone's money". That proves how gullible his followers are. Of course, buy the office with your own money. Paints himself as an "outsider" but has said himself he could get what he wants from either party, admitting he has donated big money  to both parties.

[Mr.wizard]

I don't see how trump plans to do anything if he where to get into office, he has alienated republicans and democrats where does he plan to find the congressional support for any of his ideas? This is not like running a business, you can't just say "I'm the boss and this is what we are gonna do". What I can see happening is trump using his veto power like a 5 year old brat who doesn't get his way.

[KUSA]

The laws will be enforced when he is in office. The illegals will be sent back and or put in prison.

So why do you need an expensive wall? If there aren't any jobs for the illegal immigrants and they can't get apply for any money then they won't come.

Also you're still ignoring "There's not just a cost to build it, but to maintain it and guard it as well. You would need guards stationed all along the wall all the time"

It should be guarded. The wall is not just for illegal immigrants but for the drug cartels too. It won't stop it completely but will certainly slow them down.

[abaris]

It should be guarded. The wall is not just for illegal immigrants but for the drug cartels too. It won't stop it completely but will certainly slow them down.

You're so simplistic and ignorant that is starts to get cute. Go, inform yourself how most of the drugs enter your country, will you?

[Divinity]

Easier way to stop the drug cartels. Legalize drugs.