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Poll: Do you vote Donald Trump?
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18.49%
22 18.49%
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RE: vote Donald trump!?
(July 13, 2016 at 12:36 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: And nothing. Just stating what that means.

Hillary is a liberal. Bernie pulled her far enough left that I am confident that she will nominate SCOTUS justices that will advance a liberal agenda. That, to me, is what this whole election boils down to. Jill Stein has no chance at being the next president. If she did, I'd vote for her. But Donald Trump getting into the white house and appointing people who will roll back women's reproductive rights, gay/trans rights, will not support justice department reform, and will intentionally blur the line between church and state by upholding all of these RFRA laws that are being challenged would be an unmitigated disaster for a generation or two. On top of the unmitigated economic disaster that Trump himself represents.

So by all means, do your civic duty. You've clearly bought into the 8 years of grime that Hillary has had applied to her. I certainly have. I was excited about HRC in '08. I am not happy about her now. But my dislike of one person doesn't mean I want to fuck it up for all of the people that depend on progressive social change moving forward. I care more for the gay community and the black community and women's reproductive rights than I dislike HRC.

SCOTUS is not important to me, it's a corrupt bourgeois body which has protected the privileged and oppressed the masses for generations. Hillary is not a liberal, she is a neoliberal, just like Gary Johnson or Tony Blair. Jill Stein has no chance, fine. Hillary Clinton will nominate people who will be pro-black, pro-gay? What world do you live in? She and her husband are the cause of the oppression black people are facing today, her racist campaign against welfare, and her criminal 'reforms' are what dug the grave of the black working class in this country. As for gay rights, she has opposed gay rights for decades, before she 'evolved' on the issue. Frankly, Donald Trump is more pro-gay than Hillary Clinton is. Clintonite Neoliberalism is what wrecked the economy in 2008. Donald Trump's economics are certainly nonsensical, but it's Clinton's fault that this right-wing populism has any traction in the first place. Her economic policies have destroyed my generations' future and the working class, sending all of the jobs to China, Vietnam, et al. and centralizing economic power into the hands of Bill Gates and George Soros.

If by progress, you mean a future economic meltdown, the destruction of the middle and working class in this country, civil unrest and the rise of right-wing populism, perhaps even worse than Donald Trump, then by all means support Hillary Clinton.

I cannot support someone who sold my generation to Walmart, sold all of our productive jobs to China, sold Syria to Google and al-Jazeera, and sold the cumulative income of the working class in this country to Bill Gates and George Soros.
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RE: vote Donald trump!?
(July 13, 2016 at 12:50 am)MyGLeonTrotsky Wrote: SCOTUS is not important to me, it's a corrupt bourgeois body which has protected the privileged and oppressed the masses for generations.

Okay, well you've dropped into tin foil hat land, and no further productive conversation can be had. I'll leave it here. Have fun with Jill Stein.
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RE: vote Donald trump!?
(July 13, 2016 at 12:53 am)SteelCurtain Wrote:
(July 13, 2016 at 12:50 am)MyGLeonTrotsky Wrote: SCOTUS is not important to me, it's a corrupt bourgeois body which has protected the privileged and oppressed the masses for generations.

Okay, well you've dropped into tin foil hat land, and no further productive conversation can be had. I'll leave it here. Have fun with Jill Stein.

Tin foil hat land? That's a way of running away and not dealing with the issues. We can start with Dred Scott, and end with Citizens United. Or, you can run away and deny that the Supreme Court isn't simply an organ of the rich and powerful.

(July 13, 2016 at 12:45 am)AFTT47 Wrote:
(July 12, 2016 at 9:42 pm)MyGLeonTrotsky Wrote: I cannot vote for Donald Trump. I also realized that I cannot vote for Hillary Clinton. It's likely going to be Jill Stein who I cast my vote for.

Go ahead. We won't likely need you or miss you. But if the very unlikely happens and Donald Trump is elected President, you'll be regretting your emotional and immature vote for the rest of your life.

No, I won't. I've already consigned myself to the inevitability that homo sapiens will go extinct. So, nothing, not even the end of the universe itself, can impact me in an emotional manner.

Furthermore, Donald Trump's presidency is just as bad as a Clinton presidency. So, I don't see how I would be in any way negatively distressed by seeing him in the White House. Seems like an unjustified leap in logic.
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RE: vote Donald trump!?
And no surer way to keep it that way than by letting Drumpf and his rich cocksucker pals nominate the next 2-3 justices.  WTF do you think we're talking about?
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RE: vote Donald trump!?
(July 13, 2016 at 12:50 am)Minimalist Wrote:
(July 13, 2016 at 12:28 am)MyGLeonTrotsky Wrote: And? Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are equivalent in their moral and ethical depravity. What Donald Trump says he will do, Hillary Clinton has already done to a large extent.

You really need to stop listening to fascist assholes.  This horseshit about the Clintons has been going on since 1992 and the fascists are not ever going to stop.  I tuned them out long ago.

I am not listening to 'fascist' assholes. I have actually read Clinton's emails, some of them were public domain. She declared war against Libya and Syria on a whim from her masters in France. That's from her own e-mails. The fact that the Clintons pioneered modern neoliberalism is simply a fact. She dismantled the New Deal programs that Roosevelt instituted, and rapist Bill declared that the era of 'big government' was over. Anyone who kills Syrians is not a friend of mine.
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Quote:She declared war against Libya and Syria on a whim from her masters in France.

Perhaps you would like to produce them?

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RE: vote Donald trump!?
(July 13, 2016 at 1:03 am)Minimalist Wrote: And no surer way to keep it that way than by letting Drumpf and his rich cocksucker pals nominate the next 2-3 justices.  WTF do you think we're talking about?

Why are you assuming Clinton is somehow different? Can you empirically demonstrate that Clinton is? I haven't seen any evidence that indicates this. Furthermore, I hold SCOTUS to a low importance compared to how much importance I hold Palestinian, Syrian, Iranian, Cuban, Honduran, Venezulan, Congo, and Chinese lives. Clinton wants to erase those.

(July 13, 2016 at 1:07 am)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:She declared war against Libya and Syria on a whim from her masters in France.

Perhaps you would like to produce them?

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https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/6528
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So loosen the tin foil and realize that you have just posted an email that was sent TO her.... not BY her.

You'd be amazed how many emails I get every day from horny coeds who want to meet me and my credit card.

So fucking what?

PS - when NATO finally did act again Qaddafi it was the French who carried the bulk of the burden.  Thanks to that fuckhead Bush, we were busy elsewhere.
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RE: vote Donald trump!?
(July 13, 2016 at 1:15 am)Minimalist Wrote: So loosen the tin foil and realize that you have just posted an email that was sent TO her.... not BY her.

You'd be amazed how many emails I get every day from horny coeds who want to meet me and my credit card.

So fucking what?

PS - when NATO finally did act again Qaddafi it was the French who carried the bulk of the burden.  Thanks to that fuckhead Bush, we were busy elsewhere.

Are you saying Hillary Clinton is not planning to declare a war if she becomes President? You seem to love to find small discrepancies to squirm through in order to avoid the logical consequences and implications of what it is you want me to believe.
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First off, the US has not declared a war since 1941.  Seems to be an obsolete concept. 

Second.  In all the campaign speeches and announcements that subject has not come up. 

Now you, with your NEWSMAX/DRUDGE REPORT sources seem to have a window into her mind that I lack.

So who is she going to declare war on?  Or will you know it when you see it?
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