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Myth, liberals hate the private sector.
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RE: Myth, liberals hate the private sector.
(January 27, 2016 at 11:53 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I guess "far left" is different in the US as it would be in Europe. I don't mean communist.

I hope not.

Otherwise I'll have to see you sent to a gulag for re education, comrade.
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#42
RE: Myth, liberals hate the private sector.
(January 27, 2016 at 11:53 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I guess "far left" is different in the US as it would be in Europe. I don't mean communist.

People generally have little perspective on what far left or far right means. While Europe's far left is far far far to the left of anything in the US, I'd say their far-right proto-facist parties are pretty far to the right of what we have in the States as well.
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#43
RE: Myth, liberals hate the private sector.
(January 27, 2016 at 7:47 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(January 27, 2016 at 7:15 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I can't get too upset at a small businessman even if he did hand you a bill.

It's scumbags like this piece of shit owner of the St Louis Rams who burn my ass.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rams...8f46f7c330

Yep, but that isn't the first time. When the Jets/Giants got their new stadium the tax payers they too were still paying for the old one. Same shit is going to happen to the teams who move to LA. The cities they leave will be left with nothing and still paying for their old digs and LA's tax payers will fit the bill for the new digs. Corporate blackmail. "If you don't give me what I wan't I will take my toys and leave".

And just before the season started this last year, I heard the Skins website asking fans what they wanted in a new stadium. I think that got nixed though.

I am fucking sick of the NFL getting away with this bullshit. They socialize the profits between teams, so please tell me why 32 billionaires need a dime from tax payers? Couldn't they pool their own money?

That's why Robert Kraft is the best owner in the NFL. Gillette Stadium? 100% privately funded.
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#44
RE: Myth, liberals hate the private sector.
(January 28, 2016 at 2:42 am)CapnAwesome Wrote:
(January 27, 2016 at 11:53 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I guess "far left" is different in the US as it would be in Europe. I don't mean communist.

People generally have little perspective on what far left or far right means. While Europe's far left is far far far to the left of anything in the US, I'd say their far-right proto-facist parties are pretty far to the right of what we have in the States as well.

Basically, Europe's spectrum is bigger/longer on both sides due to historical circumstances. America has had the same constitution since it was first implemented: I cannot think of a single European country that has been living on the same constitution forever. And we've been trough monarchy, etc. It's different. Typically, right-left has more to do with how you view hierarchies than with government intervention. From my experience, fascists are very supportive of gov-intervention and they qualify as far-right.

America has a different spectrum, still - I wouldn't qualify someone who is in favor of a mixed economy as far-left, ever..
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RE: Myth, liberals hate the private sector.
(January 28, 2016 at 8:11 am)Dystopia Wrote:
(January 28, 2016 at 2:42 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: People generally have little perspective on what far left or far right means. While Europe's far left is far far far to the left of anything in the US, I'd say their far-right proto-facist parties are pretty far to the right of what we have in the States as well.

Basically, Europe's spectrum is bigger/longer on both sides due to historical circumstances. America has had the same constitution since it was first implemented: I cannot think of a single European country that has been living on the same constitution forever. And we've been trough monarchy, etc. It's different. Typically, right-left has more to do with how you view hierarchies than with government intervention. From my experience, fascists are very supportive of gov-intervention and they qualify as far-right.

America has a different spectrum, still - I wouldn't qualify someone who is in favor of a mixed economy as far-left, ever..

America's has one of the oldest active constitutions, if not the oldest. Americans are so centered on themselves though. That's why we will call someone far left who on a world wide scale absolutely isn't. I have even heard Hillary Clinton described as far left. What? If you actually compared her to the world, she's probably moderate-right.
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#46
RE: Myth, liberals hate the private sector.
(January 28, 2016 at 4:00 am)KevinM1 Wrote:
(January 27, 2016 at 7:47 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Yep, but that isn't the first time. When the Jets/Giants got their new stadium the tax payers they too were still paying for the old one. Same shit is going to happen to the teams who move to LA. The cities they leave will be left with nothing and still paying for their old digs and LA's tax payers will fit the bill for the new digs. Corporate blackmail. "If you don't give me what I wan't I will take my toys and leave".

And just before the season started this last year, I heard the Skins website asking fans what they wanted in a new stadium. I think that got nixed though.

I am fucking sick of the NFL getting away with this bullshit. They socialize the profits between teams, so please tell me why 32 billionaires need a dime from tax payers? Couldn't they pool their own money?

That's why Robert Kraft is the best owner in the NFL.  Gillette Stadium?  100% privately funded.

Almost there, why do you need to name your stadium after a corporation or product? What happened to Candle Stick Park, what happened to RFK stadium?

It even used to be "pre game show SPONSORED BY" Not "The Corporate Greed Halftime show".

I am seriously going to stop watching the NFL if they start putting adds on the fucking field like they do in College. Crap, I cant even drive by a fucking local highschool without seeing corporate adds on the sign.

Great, he paid for his own stadium? I think he'd still be rich if he didn't name the stadium after a corporation. The owners profit share on the merchandising that and ticket sales should be enough.
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#47
RE: Myth, liberals hate the private sector.
(January 27, 2016 at 6:20 pm)Cecelia Wrote: "If you can't afford it, tough luck!"

Except you don't have any choices.  In most places there's a monopoly in place.  Which means companies don't have to compete with one another.  Which means you can't simply 'not' buy from that specific company if you disagree with their policies.  This isn't hard to understand.  If you want the internet, you have to deal with that company.  And good luck getting by without the internet if you live in today's society.    Those companies now have no reason to upgrade their equipment, improve their service, or do anything to please their customers.

What is really vile about big business, is that their flooding politics infects the minds of small business owners as well. Walfart is closing some stores. But when they went in they destroyed local shops, but still get small business to vote fort the very party that allows them to crush small businesses. They interviewed former small business owners that got screwed by them moving in.

"Business owner" is stupidly like religion and political ideology, treated like a gang to be protected with blind loyalty, which gets the small business owner to fail to see they are not in the same weight class as a big business.

And big business knows this, so they hide behind code language avoiding parent companies by calling the sub set umbrella smaller businesses they really own to keep their monopoly. So if you ever here a GOP politician use the term "small business", that is bullshit, that is really nothing but protecting the monopoly of the parent company.
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#48
RE: Myth, liberals hate the private sector.
While I will still stand by my position that far too much of big business is abusive, I do still value the private sector. And just now, I won. Yesterday I went into Walmart and bought a refill card for my cell thinking everything would be fine for another month. Got call this morning from my mom on my land phone that the message said my number was no longer in service? WHAT THE FUCK?

So I call the company up, the amounts on the card you can chose from, do not always match the plans you actually pay for, so it can be that if you pay, you'll be short. Why the fuck would anyone go out of their way to be short? Well, they play that shell game on purpose. Mice print on any contract allows them to manipulate consumers long term into getting so frustrated they will end up getting used to paying more long term.

So I bitched them out, but at the same time letting them know I blame the corporate boardroom and not the employees. As a result she comped the 5 dollars I was short. Big business needs to stop manipulating consumers and put the demand control back into their hands. I am not against businesses making money, I am against getting blindsided.

So while there is lots to complain about about corporate bullies, it is also up to us to use our voices as consumers and workers to let businesses know they depend on us, not the other way around.
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#49
RE: Myth, liberals hate the private sector.
(January 28, 2016 at 1:10 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:
(January 28, 2016 at 8:11 am)Dystopia Wrote: Basically, Europe's spectrum is bigger/longer on both sides due to historical circumstances. America has had the same constitution since it was first implemented: I cannot think of a single European country that has been living on the same constitution forever. And we've been trough monarchy, etc. It's different. Typically, right-left has more to do with how you view hierarchies than with government intervention. From my experience, fascists are very supportive of gov-intervention and they qualify as far-right.

America has a different spectrum, still - I wouldn't qualify someone who is in favor of a mixed economy as far-left, ever..

America's has one of the oldest active constitutions, if not the oldest. Americans are so centered on themselves though. That's why we will call someone far left who on a world wide scale absolutely isn't. I have even heard Hillary Clinton described as far left. What? If you actually compared her to the world, she's probably moderate-right.
That is true, however America in its westernized version is a very young country. Don't take this as an insult - It's just an observation - You can see a wider spectrum in European politics because we have countries with thousands of years of existence and traditions - Even if some countries were created, and borders were revised, we have existed here for many centuries with a relatively consistent population without super significant alterations. America was an Indian continent, until it was occupied by westerns - It is therefore young and it's normal that the political spectrum works differently. Trust me, when you live in a country where your parents who are little over 40 remember living in a dictatorship, perspectives change a lot.

Written constitutions shouldn't be confused with what I like to call unwritten or otherwise intangible constitutions - Basically meaning the fundamental values of every people on earth - A written constitution should reflect those values. Out of curiosity, I think my country has had about 5 written constitutions at least, since we became a republic, and we had some rudimentary constitutions as a monarchy
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