GMO vs Organic

[scoobysnack]

I've been trying to eat more organic food and avoid GMO, although it's really hard in the US. What do you all think of organic or GMO foods, and do you try to eat or avoid one or the other? What is healthier, or doesn't it matter? Personally I think it's strange much of the food in the US is banned in other countries of the world, and that they expect us to eat food that bugs die from eating. Sure I understand toxicity levels that bugs will die from but humans due to our size can still survive. For me it's more about the health of the gut, and maintaining the healthy bacteria, and not killing it through GMO.

Went the groccery store and bought mostly organic food. Quite a bit more expensive, but I think for long term health it's worth it. Would you consider avoiding GMO a form of orthorexia nervosa, which means being obsessed with healthy eating?

https://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/...ia-nervosa

Curious what you all think, or what your diets are like.

[Silver]

To be honest, organic is no more better or worse for you than regular food.

What everyone with food seems to be harping on is how it seems to affect one's body.

Food is food, whether organic or modified. A modified food will do the same to one's body as an organic food.

What happens to one's body is ultimately in one's DNA. Your genes determine the outcome of your body, not food.

Some people cannot science.

[scoobysnack]

To be honest, organic is no more better or worse for you than regular food.

What everyone with food seems to be harping on is how it seems to affect one's body.

Food is food, whether organic or modified.  A modified food will do the same to one's body as an organic food.

What happens to one's body is ultimately in one's DNA.  Your genes determine the outcome of your body, not food.

Some people cannot science.

I disagree, I think the whole idea that everyone's DNA being the ultimate end all of whether someone will get a disease or not, is a cop out and likely a hoax to suggest that poisonous food, and other toxins in the environment don't have as much as effect. I've known people to reverse diabetes through diet, while most think once they have diabetes, they are stuck with it. It seems people are refusing to take responsibility for their health, and instead, think they can eat whatever the food industry says is safe, and that anything that happens is due to DNA.

"Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." - Hypocrattes as in the hypocratic oath

I think we can reverse disease through healthy eating, because almost like good fuel for a car, we can turn on and off cells and DNA that create problems. Has anyone ever seen the film forks over knives:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ijukNzlUg

[Jenny A]

Organic and non GMO are not the same. Organic implies no pesticides or antibiotics. GMOs are genetically engineered. I don't worry about GMOs. Practically everythiing you eat is altered by long selective breeding. GMOs are just a faster way of breeding.

I try but don't make a fetish of organic. Mostly, I try to eat fresh rather than canned or frozen. I shop produce, meat, and dairy and try to stay out of the middle aisles. I bake our bread, and make our meals from ingrediants rather than boxes or cans.

[Silver]

Don't go there with that obvious conspiracy.

Food is not poisonous. People create ideas to make it seem food is poisonous, nothing more.

People love to create. It's part of who we are. Creation is not just a virtue in many respects, but a bane in others.

The entire idea that food is poisonous, when humanity has thrived on the same food since the dawn of time, is ludicrous and only being used as a means to make more money in a certain area.

After all, healthier eating does cost the average person more money. Yet, there is no valid statistic showing that the one who spends more money on healthy eating is guaranteed a longer lifespan than one who eats regular food.

The science is simply not there. All you have is conjecture. But by all means, continue believing as falsely as you do.

[scoobysnack]

Organic and non GMO are not the same.  Organic implies no pesticides or antibiotics.  GMOs are genetically engineered.  I don't worry about GMOs.  Practically everythiing you eat is altered by long selective breeding.  GMOs are just a faster way of breeding.  

I try but don't make a fetish of organic.  Mostly, I try to eat fresh rather than canned or frozen.  I shop produce, meat, and dairy and try to stay out of the middle aisles.  I bake our bread, and make our meals from ingrediants rather than boxes or cans.

That's cool that you feed yourself and your family with fresh foods instead of prepared foods with all the preservatives. Plus you bake your own bread! Something I've always wanted to do. Do you grow any vegetables? I grow veggies on my patio, mainly peppers, cherry tomatoes and herbs like basil. Bet you kids would have fun with it.

I still think organic is better then GMO. Mainly the GMO that have built in pesticides that kill the insects.

[ignoramus]

Wife's old school, so she likes to buy fresh. We rarely touch junk food. Restaurants maybe once a month?

I do notice that some tomatoes she brings home still got the green stem thing on them? Pretty sure she doesn't care about GMO, Organic, etc.
Only that they probably taste nicer me think?

[scoobysnack]

Don't go there with that obvious conspiracy.

Food is not poisonous.  People create ideas to make it seem food is poisonous, nothing more.

People love to create.  It's part of who we are.  Creation is not just a virtue in many respects, but a bane in others.

The entire idea that food is poisonous, when humanity has thrived on the same food since the dawn of time, is ludicrous and only being used as a means to make more money in a certain area.

After all, healthier eating does cost the average person more money.  Yet, there is no valid statistic showing that the one who spends more money on healthy eating is guaranteed a longer lifespan than one who eats regular food.

The science is simply not there.  All you have is conjecture.  But by all means, continue believing as falsely as you do.

I would disagree with your point that food can't be poison, or at least toxic, when talking about unnatural foods, or prepared foods.

GMO is not the same as selective breeding to create different strains of a species, like cross pollination to create desirable traits. GMO is intentionally changing the DNA of a plant to create a desirable trait, such as built in pesticide. Monsanto for example creates plants that don't produce seeds so farmers can't use the seeds of the previous crop to grow the next harvest. In fact it has led to many suicides in India because they can't afford to farm the land due to having to buy seeds each season.

For thousands of years, farmers have grown food from the ground using the seeds of the previous harvest, and have used selective breeding to create new varieties. In the last 30 years or so however, they have started messing with the DNA to the point that it's no longer natural, and now we are not eating natural foods that people were eating a couple of generations ago. Cancer is growing, along with all sorts of diseases, yet people still say dna is the culprit. Well how did our dna change suddenly that diseases are growing out of proportion?

I was talking to the gay dude at the bar I frequent while smoking a cigarette and commenting on his nasty feet. He said it was because of frequenting gay bath houses, and there was nothing he could do, but apply medicine. Tried to tell him to change his diet to aid his immune system, but he basically told me I was just trying to live longer because I was afraid to die, and that there is nothing he could do to make him healthy except medicine. Absolute insanity, but I know from a few years ago when I changed my diet that I became super healthy.

[Aractus]

I've been trying to eat more organic food and avoid GMO, although it's really hard in the US.

Organic has no proven health benefits over traditionally farmed foods, and in some situation organic fertilisers are more potent to human health than non-organic fertilisers due to containing higher levels of heavy metals.

GMO is not a proven technology either. It has the potential to bring health benefits, but they might be accompanied by unintended negative consequences. If you want my advice, it's not a bad idea to buy non-GMO, but there's no reason to buy organic unless there's a specific environmental benefit for the specific product - but in most cases organic alternatives to traditional fertilisers and pesticides are actually worse for the environment and/or human health (mostly they end up being worse ecologically speaking, and sometimes they are worse for human health... but the health concern of organic fertilisers may or may not be present in the final product).

If ecology is a concern to you then learn where your food comes from. Avoid buying unnecessary overseas imports - it's better ecologically to buy local GMO than to buy foreign foods from China, or where-ever they send fresh produce from where you live. Even local ecology is not straightforward. Pretty much all local produce here in Canberra (including at the markets) that is produced in Bega is sent to Sydney first, and then comes back to Canberra. It's economical, but not ecological.

[scoobysnack]

Wife's old school, so she likes to buy fresh. We rarely touch junk food. Restaurants maybe once a month?

I do notice that some tomatoes she brings home still got the green stem thing on them? Pretty sure she doesn't care about GMO, Organic, etc.
Only that they probably taste nicer me think?

I went grocery shopping for the first time this week, since January. I was eating out all the time at work, and sandwich shops. 

Whether its organic or gmo, fresh food is much better then processed foods, to be sure. 

I'm trying to eat more vegetables after visiting my brother in California, who is mainly a vegetarian, but still eats meat when going out to dinner with the family. Vegetables, fruit and more exercise is my goal going forward. I used to eat a lot of super foods, and felt so much healthier when I did then what I tend to have been eating lately. Super foods being nutrient dense compared to the calories.

This is an interesting documentary on how to heal the body through vegetable and fruit based natural diet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sdkGbAgtI0