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Hacking Christianity
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RE: Hacking Christianity
(March 23, 2016 at 1:47 pm)Amine Wrote:
(March 23, 2016 at 8:47 am)Drich Wrote: What if... This life had a greater purpose than just to 'create' a soul. What if this life is a proving ground for a soul, and if one's life is cut short then the soul simply gets plugged into another host/new born.

that would mean your hack failed because a incomplete understanding of basic theology.

Where in basic theology does it tell us that lives that are cut short get plugged into new hosts?

If it were true, which I have no reason to believe, it would certainly be a bummer. This idea that life is a test reminds me of the Saw movies. I'd rather never have been born than be put up to some demented test where failure means eternal torment.

We know this life is a test, (in a manner of speaking) because we have been given choice. To serve God or to continue to live in sin.

So then if this life is to prove/determine who we want to serve for eternity, then what purpose would be served if before we have the ability to cognitively choose God or sin, we die and goto Heaven???

Granted no where in the bible does it say we simply get plugged back in 'the matrix' if we die as children (that's why church doctrine tells us we goto heaven if church law is followed correctly... and why i said 'what if..') But we do indeed have examples for people (prophets) getting plugged back 'in the matrix' found in the book of revelation. so it is possible if indeed we have been given this life to prove to ourselves where our hearts lie.

Then I would ask, how do you know you didn't ask to be born?
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RE: Hacking Christianity
Don't mix your mythologies people, it's dangerous business. And don't drink a mythology you haven't poured yourself.
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#13
RE: Hacking Christianity
(March 23, 2016 at 2:49 pm)Drich Wrote: We know this life is a test, (in a manner of speaking) because we have been given choice. To serve God or to continue to live in sin.

So then if this life is to prove/determine who we want to serve for eternity, then what purpose would be served if before we have the ability to cognitively choose God or sin, we die and goto Heaven???

Granted no where in the bible does it say we simply get plugged back in 'the matrix' if we die as children (that's why church doctrine tells us we goto heaven if church law is followed correctly... and why i said 'what if..') But we do indeed have examples for people (prophets) getting plugged back 'in the matrix' found in the book of revelation. so it is possible if indeed we have been given this life to prove to ourselves where our hearts lie.

Then I would ask, how do you know you didn't ask to be born?

If it isn't in the bible, it isn't in this discussion and that's the end of it. My scheme still works. Anything I say beyond this point is off topic but that's fine with me.

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You ask, "what purpose would be served?" I don't know what you are talking about. The alternative is this: God could just have us all born directly into heaven. Now this would truly be a loving god. So what if we didn't go through some gruesome, twisted, Saw-inspired test? That is sick. A loving god could show his creations nothing but amazing bliss, beauty, love, and creativity. He could prevent us from ever being mutilated, raped, tortured, strangled, shot, eaten alive, and emotionally abused (which is arguably the worst of all).

If life has some divine purpose, then, I really don't know what it is or care about it. I'll skip it, but thanks. I'm ready for heaven baby.

How do I know I didn't ask to be born? Because A) I don't remember doing so and B) I think I would have had to have been a total idiot to do so, so I doubt I would have and then forgotten about it. This is a very silly question.

But we can run the whole experiment again right now. I don't believe in God, right? Well, if he were to appear to me out of thin air right now and say "HELLO AMINE! I'M GOD AND I HAVE A CHOICE FOR YOU! YOU CAN LIVE THE REST OF YOUR LIFE AND GO TO HEAVEN IF YOU ACCEPT ME AND HELL IF YOU DON'T, OR YOU CAN DIE. OH, AND HERE'S THE CATCH, IF YOU CHOOSE THE FIRST OPTION, YOU FORGET THAT YOU CHOSE IT!" Then I would say, "I'd rather die, goodbye." No way would I ever take even the slightest risk of going to hell forever.
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#14
RE: Hacking Christianity
(March 23, 2016 at 8:47 am)Drich Wrote:
(March 22, 2016 at 11:13 am)Amine Wrote: ..

What if... This life had a greater purpose than just to 'create' a soul. What if this life is a proving ground for a soul, and if one's life is cut short then the soul simply gets plugged into another host/new born.

that would mean your hack failed because a incomplete understanding of basic theology.

If.
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#15
RE: Hacking Christianity
(March 23, 2016 at 8:47 am)Drich Wrote:
(March 22, 2016 at 11:13 am)Amine Wrote: Maybe this has been discussed before. If not:

Assume Christianity is true, and you believe it. A soul is permanently created when a sperm meets an egg. That soul will have eternal life one way or another, in heaven or hell. Going to hell is bad. Going to heaven is good. If a person dies in their childhood before they have a chance to knowingly do wrong, they go to heaven. You probably see where this is going.

Now, if it were me, I'd actually want to have died in childhood. Then I would be in heaven right now. The way things actually are, I don't know if I am going to heaven. I might go to hell. And certainly some people I know will go to hell. It seems entirely preferable, given this system, that we do some slightly counterintuitive things. Namely, abort as many babies as possible.

The possibilities are nearly limitless. To merely encourage women to have more abortions is only a start. An entire industrial complex could be set up. Harvest female eggs, inseminate them, and kill them immediately. This could be done by the trillion per day. It could even be fully automated to remove human responsibility. Girls are born with all the eggs they will ever produce. Some portion of them will be allowed to grow to that point, their eggs will be harvested, then they will be killed by machines. In this manner heaven will be populated with quadrillions of souls in a relatively short amount of time.

That's an extraordinarily good outcome. I mean, it has been a very hard thing to make this world a remotely pleasant, civilized place. Here, using a pinch of intelligence, we have a better shortcut than we ever could have asked for. It's really not so much about intelligence. If you actually believe this stuff, it's more about just getting over the habit of following your instincts and living a normal human life. But it is sure that doing so only puts people at risk of going to hell. If we can just follow our beliefs to the letter, we get an outcome that is outrageously superior. This is actually the rational thing to do given such beliefs.

Hopefully we would invent AI as soon as possible an program them to maximize human abortions, which they would then do with exponentially improving efficiency until the heat death of the universe, and maybe they'd even figure out how to prevent that. I've read some ideas. Heaven would be filled with googolplexes upon googolplexes of souls living in the highest bliss. Hell would have a comparatively tiny number of souls, and the devil would be pulling his hair out. Lastly, for those who committed the sin of performing the abortions, they could repent before they died. Even if that weren't an option, which I have no reason to believe it wouldn't be, they still would have achieved ratios of billions to one in terms of souls that went to heaven or hell. It would be a truly selfless sacrifice for them to have made.

System = beat.

What if... This life had a greater purpose than just to 'create' a soul. What if this life is a proving ground for a soul, and if one's life is cut short then the soul simply gets plugged into another host/new born.

that would mean your hack failed because a incomplete understanding of basic theology.

Only you could take a "what if" statement and instantly believe it.  Con men must see you coming a mile away, dripshit.  How many times have you bought the Brooklyn Bridge?
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