How Did Hitler Affect White Germans?

[GUBU]

T4 ultimately was terminated because, as opposed to later atrocities, the population took note. One of the very few admirable clerics of the time, bishop Galen went out of his way to make his knowledge public. He published a pastoral letter to be read at every church in his diocese, brandiing the operation as what it was, with every detail he could gather. It's also a perfect example of how far high ranking people could go in opposing the regime, since Galen wasn't touched by the authorities. There's some correspondence about him in the archieves, where Himmler and his henchmen discuss his fate. They come to the conclusion, it would be unwise to persecute him during the war, since it would lead to public outrage.

They did go after von Galen's sister Helene, who was a nun, but she managed to escape them herself, and the Nazis backed off after that when they realised the negative publicity would be too much for them to counteract.

[GUBU]

If you were the wrong religion, political ethos, sexuality, considered "habitually criminal", had mental or physical problems, too avant garde in art, unwilling to divorce your Jewish spouse or even just simply not able to make all the "voluntary" contributions by the SA and other party organs, it could go very badly for you, up to and including either being gassed or worked to death in a KZ.

Anybody who deviated noticably from party lines was persona non grata in Hitler's reich.

PS: I forgot ethnicity, there were millions of Poles, Russians, Ukrainians and other eastern europeans killed during WW2. I'm reading Richard J Evan's third book on the Third Reich now, "The Third Reich at War" and I'm at the point where he talks about what happened to people the Nazis called "life unworthy of life" during the war, and it turns out at least 80,000 German citizens with physical or mental incapacities were gassed from 1940 onwards, and were the main proving test cases (that sounds really callous, I don't mean it that way sorry) for what later became the holocaust.

If you were going to wage a war like Hitler did why wouldn't you kill off your citizens who had physical or mental incapacities?

In that case why didn't the UK or France do the same?, at the time the Nazis were carrying out the T-4 they were on top, and Britain and France were on the back foot.

Frankly why don't you crawl off and die, the world would be a far better place without hate filled, stupid sacks of shit like you.

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[Rev. Rye]

Well, one historian wrote a book about it: It's called The Nazi Seizure of Power by William Sheridan Allen. Essentially, it's a case study of a small town in Germany called Northeim. They voted the Nazis into power in 1932, but when they came into power, remaking Germany in their own image, including Northeim, they ultimately failed to sustain their enthusiasm. After the Nazis took over all social groups in the town (even bowling leagues), they wound up just mostly going through the motions; not totally embracing it, but not revolting because there was simply no point in doing so. It's not perfect, but any understanding of the effects of Hitler's rule on the average German (even before the war) really needs to grapple with it.

[abaris]

After the Nazis took over all social groups in the town (even bowling leagues), they wound up just mostly going through the motions; not totally embracing it, but not revolting because there was simply no point in doing so. It's not perfect, but any understanding of the effects of Hitler's rule on the average German (even before the war) really needs to grapple with it.

That's not so hard to grasp. The average person, and that probably makes up more than 90 percent of any given population, isn't a born hero. So, when living under totalitarian rule, they try not to get noticed. Even more so, if it's a known fact that there are concentration camps and people vanishing.

I don't know the absolute numbers, but a relatively large percentage of the population actually did support the regime in the 30ies. The Nazis handed out goodies by the numbers. Low earners paid less taxes, pensions were raised dramatically, and most of all, they got jobs. Workers didn't care that it was all on borrowed money and that it was all in preparation for war. Even more so, if they already had been unemployed in the wake of the depression. When war broke out, as opposed to 1914, people were rather depressed and in no way enthusiastic. And that's well documented by the regime itself.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

If you were going to wage a war like Hitler did why wouldn't you kill off your citizens who had physical or mental incapacities?

In that case why didn't the UK or France do the same?, at the time the Nazis were carrying out the T-4 they were on top, and Britain and France were on the back foot.

Frankly why don't you crawl off and die, the world would be a far better place without hate filled, stupid sacks of shit like you.

Some people really get pissed when told that their favorite fairy tale is BS.  If you don't calm down you're going to have a stroke.  A lot of the French collaborated with the Nazis.

Speaking of killing things, the Brits killed about 750,000 pets in one week.  http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24478532

Don't think that the Brits wouldn't have killed off people with physical or mental incapacities if the US hadn't came to their aid.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

After the Nazis took over all social groups in the town (even bowling leagues), they wound up just mostly going through the motions; not totally embracing it, but not revolting because there was simply no point in doing so. It's not perfect, but any understanding of the effects of Hitler's rule on the average German (even before the war) really needs to grapple with it.

That's not so hard to grasp. The average person, and that probably makes up more than 90 percent of any given population, isn't a born hero. So, when living under totalitarian rule, they try not to get noticed. Even more so, if it's a known fact that there are concentration camps and people vanishing.

I don't know the absolute numbers, but a relatively large percentage of the population actually did support the regime in the 30ies. The Nazis handed out goodies by the numbers. Low earners paid less taxes, pensions were raised dramatically, and most of all, they got jobs. Workers didn't care that it was all on borrowed money and that it was all in preparation for war. Even more so, if they already had been unemployed in the wake of the depression. When war broke out, as opposed to 1914, people were rather depressed and in no way enthusiastic. And that's well documented by the regime itself.

That behavior explains how a small group of mean guys can control a large city or even a country.  If people really had any balls they could easily overthrow them without too much trouble.  Instead they meekly obey because humans are programmed to obey people in authority, or someone who acts like he knows what he's doing.  The Castro gang took over Cuba with a small force.  Castro took over Cuba with a force of about 300 men.  He's been in power since then because people are too gutless to kill him and his family.  The same thing is true in North Korea and in Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe, and countless other countries.

[Ivan Denisovich]

It has occurred to me that in November we may be asked to choose between Miss WikiLeaks or the Hitlerian reincarnation.  In that case voters may very well choose fascism over compromised national security. This would not be the case if Americans feared fascism as much as they do socialism.  My fear is that many white Americans may not feel they have anything to fear from a police state. After all, they are white. The police are here to serve and protect them.

But I wonder is this true? How did Hitler affect white Germans?  What is the cost of a brown shirt?

I guess you wanted to ask how Hitler rule affected Germans.

While Reich was police state it was ruled more by fear* than oppression at least if we take USSR as model of oppression. It does not mean that being "Aryan" made one safe but people more or less knew what "crime" will be followed by repressions. If one had a job, wasn't "mentally ill"**, wasn't homosexual and did not oppose the regime then one was safe or "safe", considering how many people army needed and what were Hitler plans.

Even when one was "Aryan" life in Reich wasn't without cost - regime wanted to be applauded, food wasn't exactly plentiful, Gestapo was though to be everywhere, charity was more like another tax than something that one done freely.

If you want a good picture of life in III Reich I recommend Richard Evans The Third Reich in Power, Götz Aly Hitler's Beneficiaries: Plunder, Racial War, and the Nazi Welfare State and Stephen Marks Warum folgten sie Hitler. It will give you nice overview of subject.

*There was much enthusiasm too and support wasn't confined to fringes of society but I guess it is not relevant context of this post.
**Life unworthy of living.