Help me confirm or deny some stuff about Hilary Clinton please

[Aegon]

I wonder how many states would stay blue or stay red if less people thought this way

That's a fair question, though it's not relevant as to why I choose to vote (or not) based on principle rather than pragmatics.

Oh yeah, I didn't mean it as an argument against what you said. However, I would disagree with not voting in the general election on principle because it isn't the presidential election that matters. Yes, your state will probably go blue no matter who you vote for (as will mine), but you could make a difference in your vote for your senator, representative, and smaller, local positions.

[Jackalope]

That's a fair question, though it's not relevant as to why I choose to vote (or not) based on principle rather than pragmatics.

Oh yeah, I didn't mean it as an argument against what you said. However, I would disagree with not voting in the general election on principle because it isn't the presidential election that matters. Yes, your state will probably go blue no matter who you vote for (as will mine), but you could make a difference in your vote for your senator, representative, and smaller, local positions.

I wasn't aware that I don't vote in state and local elections. My comments so far have been strictly in the context of electing our president.

[Aegon]

Oh yeah, I didn't mean it as an argument against what you said. However, I would disagree with not voting in the general election on principle because it isn't the presidential election that matters. Yes, your state will probably go blue no matter who you vote for (as will mine), but you could make a difference in your vote for your senator, representative, and smaller, local positions.

I wasn't aware that I don't vote in state and local elections.  My comments so far have been strictly in the context of electing our president.

Yes, but the ballot in November will include state and local as well as presidential. Do you vote in those other categories but abstain from choosing a presidential candidate?

[Jackalope]

I wasn't aware that I don't vote in state and local elections.  My comments so far have been strictly in the context of electing our president.

Yes, but the ballot in November will include state and local as well as presidential. Do you vote in those other categories but abstain from choosing a presidential candidate?

Yes.

[Minimalist]

Recommended viewing:
https://youtu.be/-dY77j6uBHI?t=6s

I have a question for you.  If you are watching TV and an advertisement comes on for a car make that you have never owned before telling how great this fucking car is do you accept everything in the ad at face value and run right out and buy one?

If not, why do you cum in your pants over a political ad which is essentially lies concocted by one side about the other? 

I do not listen to ads.  The moment one comes on the mute button gets hit.  Sometimes I forget to turn the sound back on for an hour or so and find that I miss comparatively little.

I despise Drumpf because he is a fucking scumbag not because Ted Cruz ran ads against him.  And I consider Cruz a little jesus cock-sucking piece of shit but I had reached that conclusion long before Trump decided to run.

Similarly, I don't give a flying fuck what Sanders says about Clinton and vice versa.  It's all just advertising man and its all horseshit.

[Goosebump]

There is allot to go into here. I'm tired of arguing candidate behavior in campaigns so I'm just gonna skip all the specific claims against HRC or Burn. You can google that your self and depending on how you word the search you'll get the answers your looking for. I'll just try and do a run down of the highlights agains the "BurnOrBust" senario.

1. Republicans are not Democrats, anybody who thinks they are are in a false equivalency.
Here's the Right saying it one way: http://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/op...t-the-same
Here is the Left saying it another: http://www.politicususa.com/2014/03/29/l...icans.html

2. Campaign contributions sorted by industry don't always mean what you think they do. This is an issue of the appearance of impropriety being falsely identified as the fact of it. If we approached the "wallet on the street" scenario in the same way we look at campaign contributions everybody would take the money in the wallet every time, when we know they don't. How much is each candidate in the pocket of "big oil" HRC 0.2%, Burn 0.04% amount of total contributions.

Also the way the Center for Responsible Politics get's these numbers is by industry. So a drill operator in the Dakotas could be feeling the Burn and write a check for $25, does that mean he's got the ear of Burn on oil industry issues? Or how about his brother, also a driller, and his brothers wife that gives $100 to HRC? Is that $100 of big oil influence? Burn has made a good showing by pointing out the whole figure with a wink and a nod but I'm pretty sure he's awair there it's a total of all contributions from the industry, not some cabal of exces in dark basements thinking up conspiracies.

3. There is a case to be made about upset candidates. Ross Pero, Ralph Nader come to mind as examples when a third party upset candidate runs to the left or the right the other side wins. This can also play into apathy with the 1st point. If both parties are the same why turn out when my guy didn't get the nod?

4. The "super pac" is another issue Burn highlights. This is a case of don't hate the player hate the game. If you are going to a gun fight why would you not bring one? If you wana change the game, first you have to win it.

5. Lastly there is the idea of protest from privilege. Not saying anybody here is doing this. It's just something that comes up in these sort of political situations. Basically it's the idea that if your guy doesn't get the nod let the other side win and that will "show em". However your in a position of privilege due to wealth and a slide of government in the opposite direction of your ideology won't have much of an impact on your life. However it may have a great impact on those that don't share in your privilege.

So that's what I got. I hope no matter the primary outcomes everybody comes out to vote. Our turnouts are sad and very discouraging. Also the a real problem in the US is our apathy to local elections and mid terms.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

I hear that Hillary is a lesbian and that she wears magic Mormon underwear under her pants suits.  

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines-201...rys-emails

[Alex K]

Maybe you'll like this





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ6oY4dMeYo

[Thumpalumpacus]

Recommended viewing:
https://youtu.be/-dY77j6uBHI?t=6s

I have a question for you.  If you are watching TV and an advertisement comes on for a car make that you have never owned before telling how great this fucking car is do you accept everything in the ad at face value and run right out and buy one?

If not, why do you cum in your pants over a political ad which is essentially lies concocted by one side about the other? 

I do not listen to ads.  The moment one comes on the mute button gets hit.  Sometimes I forget to turn the sound back on for an hour or so and find that I miss comparatively little.

I despise Drumpf because he is a fucking scumbag not because Ted Cruz ran ads against him.  And I consider Cruz a little jesus cock-sucking piece of shit but I had reached that conclusion long before Trump decided to run.

Similarly, I don't give a flying fuck what Sanders says about Clinton and vice versa.  It's all just advertising man and its all horseshit.

"Pay no attention to the man behind the screen!"

[Redbeard The Pink]

I voted for Clinton in the Arizona primary.  I see the same problem with Sanders that I do with Drumpf...minus the boorish behavior, Bernie is basically a gentleman.  Bernie's platform, like Drumpf's is designed to tickle the nutsacks of his supporters.  It has no chance of surviving contact with Congress.  8 years from now we'll be hearing all about how Sanders "failed" to enact free college just like Obama "failed" to close Gitmo...despite submitting 7 plans to do exactly that to this do-nothing congress.

Bernie's voter base seems like a pretty politically aware/active crowd (oppositional slogans about naivete and free stuff notwithstanding), and that seems to be on an increasing basis as the race gets to the bluer states. If they muster the voting power to beat down the Hillary machine, they have a good chance of changing congress up as well. That's much tougher because of gerrymandering and all that shit, but it does happen. Congress could turn democrat regardless of who the president is, actually.