Transexuals

[robvalue]

He's saying he has a right to inspect everyone's junk who dares to go into the same toilet as him. I wonder how he'd feel if someone demanded to see his?

He's continuing to equivocate mental illness with mental incompetency, even though the subject of our discussion isn't even a mental illness.

Even if it was, his point is still wrong.

Discussing with Drich is absolutely pointless, I'm just correcting misinformation for those at home.

[LadyForCamus]

Yeah, he's built up a towering straw man argument here, and apparently is going to stand by it until every last brick is scattered on the ground.

[Drich]

What this entire thread boils down to is, it makes Drich feel disgusted and uncomfortable to imagine having to share a bathroom with a transexual.  Unfortunately for him, no one here gives a shit.  

no, thats what small minded people want it to boil down to so they do not have to acknowledge the larger social issues.

The problem with small minded people is they tend to think wide left, and when someone does not agree with their wide left programming they try and play the race/bigotry card.

Typical kill the messenger (by labeling the messenger someone acceptable to hate or be intolerant against) which allows the self righteous left winger to feel justified in dismissing the message.

Wake up, this isn't 1999 anymore, and you are not Bill Marr. It's time to try and learn to think for your self. I listed a whole long list of reason why legislation that supports a minority of a minority is not good for the people in this or another country. I've also repeatedly said that transsexuals are not at the core of my disagreement with this action, it is those looking to exploit this allowance or loop hole to prey on the opposite sex while they are in a vulnerable position.

What I did say that pertains to transsexuals is this will also enable those who suffer from GID that go untreated (which according to the Mayo clinic is the vast majority) will be enabled to put off treatment even longer.

[Drich]

There's a porn niche that disagrees with you.

There's also Asian porn. And? You won't see a bathroom packed with transexual men who want to hear women pee. You get the idea.
ETA: *transexual women

Again, it's not the transexuals that this law exposes women and children to. It's the warp minded pervert who has no problem putting on a dress so he can be in that stall next to you or your daughter, or worse yet plant a camera. Are you so nieve as to think only a transgendered person would be so bold as to wear womens clothing to enter a bathroom?

[Drich]

[Crossless2.0]

There's also Asian porn. And? You won't see a bathroom packed with transexual men who want to hear women pee. You get the idea.
ETA: *transexual women

Again, it's not the transexuals that this law exposes women and children to. It's the warp minded pervert who has no problem putting on a dress so he can be in that stall next to you or your daughter, or worse yet plant a camera. Are you so nieve as to think only a transgendered person would be so bold as to wear womens clothing to enter a bathroom?

What's stopping them from doing it now? I've known several cross-dressers who could easily pass the "is-that-a-woman-at-a-glance-test". Or do you suppose that all would-be perverts/rapists are so obviously masculine in appearance that they would need the cover of the transgender community to pull off your scenario?

[Drich]

Several people have hinted at a very real practical problem with trying to segregate people by genitals alone: people can lie. For example, I can just walk into the ladies' room, and if challenged, I'll say I'm actually "a woman". I have a vagina. I'm just also on male hormones and such. I've had lots of operations, making me look extremely like a man, I just haven't had sexual reassignment.

What are they going to do, insist I show them my vagina?

And this fucking garbage: "They will attack people!" But they don't. It's like, "Atheists would murder everyone! They have no morals!" But they don't.

As a side not, I'm fascinated by this idea that religion may be being classed as a mental illness. Is this for real? It's about time something was done to stop people getting away with negligence on religious grounds.

Don't be stupid. If the same bald guy who posts video's on this forum walks into a woman's bathroom claiming to be a woman, anyone with the gift of sight know your full of crap, and women will exit the bathroom or you will be escorted out.

There will be no need for a genital check.

If you pulled that crap in my place of business and insisted, a genital check would most likly come in the form of a swift kick in the twig and berries. if you double over and wet yourself then I'd say problem solved and you can go on your way.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

I'm having this same stupid discussion with a Facebook buddy from back home (Lousy-anna). He is advancing almost the same arguments, words-for-word, which tells me that there's a propaganda machine manufacturing fear.

There is nothing stopping a pervert from pretending to be a woman, in order to accomplish what you claim. There are already laws against stalking, harassment that causes fear, assault, and rape. Why another law that specifically targets trans people? What would it even do except to declare that they have to walk into a MEN's bathroom looking completely like a woman?

I mean, seriously, do you honestly think that a law which bans genitals from a particular restroom will stop a rapist (or other criminal) from going into a women's room in disguise? The only possible purpose for this legislation is to express contempt for the trans community, after manufacturing a threat the politicians can "solve".

[Drich]

Your an idiot to think all people who have GID want to be a transsexual. Just like not all people who have homosexual tendencies want to be gay or live a gay life style. So to do the people with GID may not want sexual reassignment.  especially if they know they can change the way they feel with hormone therapy.

But...if they do want to transition, and transitioning is the care plan decided upon by patient and therapist, how can you justify denying them access to the bathroom which they gender identify with?

Asked and answered (youve asked this already)

Maybe you did understand what I said.. so I'll dumb it down.

If dude trades his frank and beans in for a roast beef sandwich then s-he can use the lady's bathroom.

If dude is just playing dress up/lets pretend what is isn't then he has to hold it or use the mens room.

[Drich]

But...if they do want to transition, and transitioning is the care plan decided upon by patient and therapist, how can you justify denying them access to the bathroom which they gender identify with?

The denial of access is justified because bathroom segregation is based on objective biological sex not subjective gender identity.

Drich! These guys claim to be all about science and objectivity...except when it comes to sex. Then its all about how people "feel" and not the objective facts.

Hypocrites!

This is how Jesus felt when trying to teach the pharisees.