Isnt God kind of childish/egotistical?

[solja247]

You sure your not looking at the verses out of context?

Have you read the bible?

You should read an incredible short book called, 'Whos Afraid of the God of the Old Testament' by Alden Thomson, an incredible book!
When the Israelites were around, back in the not so good old days, there wars a lot of funny religious practices, such as, sacrificing your first born son to Molech. 'Holy' orgies (If thats even possible) and here comes the fun part mutilating ones genitals. These practices and religions were all very appealing to the Jews and were more pagan than Jewish, if you look at the history. I believe, if it was God, showed Himself as being a jealous God who hated worship of other gods, because He didnt want the jews to be morally deprived. God was dealing with stupid people, He couldnt show His love and true nature, as He was dealing with people who couldnt deal with such a God.

I really could care less how strange some people's actions were in that day and age. God's go-to response for most things tends to involve anything from mass genocide to mass genocide for literally any reason and a lot of it is our fault for being who and what we are.
If god didn't want us to act a certain way, he should have built us that way.

Perhaps what you are seeing is the reflection of what the culture was like, not the character of God.

Again, have you read the bible? I dont' think we've read the same book here. I have the King James version.

Yes I have read my Bible.
The story of Jericho is fascinating, isnt it? An entire city/town falling because people they yelled and then they killed everyone except the people found in Rahabs house. I find this story morally distasteful, I dont worship a god like that.
So I think the main two theories one should either stick too would be:
These stories are over-exsaggerated and God did not help them in any of their bloody conquests
OR
God was working with primitive people who couldnt understand many ideas and beliefs we take for granted (for example the idea of individualism) Therefore, God patiently worked with His people, so He could over centuries and even millenniums understand what God really is. The people in that land were exceptionally evil, to my knowledge they found a breeding ground in Jericho where babies were born and then they were sacrificed. Horrible, horrible place! Was God justified in exterminating them (well helping in their extermination) yes. Should all of the people and animals be destroyed? No, but thats how the Israelites thought.
Just how Achon sinned and when he was caught, all of his belongings were destroyed (including his family) and also the idea that one can bear the brunt of their parents sin, these ideologies were accepted as the norm, even when Jesus came to the planet, so I think you can see God has a very difficult time ahead of Him, slowly teaching His people. This idea is classified as progressive theology.

[Scented Nectar]

God loves killing babies. He killed a shitload himself. Egypt I think, wasn't it? All the firstborn non-jewish ones. Innocent little babies, and that loving god slaughtered the fuck out of them. Nice guy!

Solja, why do you love your god when he is such a nasty malicious asshole?

Somewhere above you mentioned something about freedom. Would you let your toddler wander onto a freeway? Would his freedom be more important than saving him from something really bad? Why would god create a bunch of flawed humans when he knows some will be so flawed that he will want to torture them forever? Why didn't he only make ones that he wouldn't want to mistreat?

Take a look at the personality of the god you believe in. Maybe you are telling yourself that you love him because you are scared of him, and you think he can read your mind to check if you are thinking nice thoughts about him.

[solja247]

God loves killing babies. He killed a shitload himself. Egypt I think, wasn't it? All the firstborn non-jewish ones. Innocent little babies, and that loving god slaughtered the fuck out of them. Nice guy!

Recently, the OT has been really bugging me, its theology is outdated. I dont give a dam what excuse, anyone uses, anyone who kill a innocent child/baby deserves to be hanged. God or human.

I dont have the answers for everything but I know that God isnt like this, if God is, I would rather burn in hell.
At the moment I dont know what to say, I would say the most logical thing is, is to throw the whole story out? but I dont know.

Solja, why do you love your god when he is such a nasty malicious asshole?

He died on the cross for me and you and that fact. I guess the only reason why I am a Christian is because of the evidence that Jesus rose from the dead and thus went to heaven, thats off topic anyways...

Take a look at the personality of the god you believe in. Maybe you are telling yourself that you love him because you are scared of him, and you think he can read your mind to check if you are thinking nice thoughts about him.

Im sorry, I have never been scared of God. Fundies are, I am not.
Since you appear to know the personality of 'the god' I believe in, tell me what it is? Please quote the Bible to back up your claims and then provide evidence to show to me that the way you interpret those verses is correct.

[fr0d0]

Recently, the OT has been really bugging me, its theology is outdated. I dont give a dam what excuse, anyone uses, anyone who kill a innocent child/baby deserves to be hanged. God or human.

Knowledge is the key point. Assuming God knows everything, he is qualified to judge. We have limited knowledge and always judge given limited information. If we were privvy to the information God has then we could judge God's actions.

How do you know the baby is innocent? Supposing it grew into a person so bad humanity was wiped out... would that justify killing to humans? God would take more into consideration of course; not just human interest.

[Tiberius]

I guess the only reason why I am a Christian is because of the evidence that Jesus rose from the dead and thus went to heaven, thats off topic anyways...

*steers this conversation off topic*

Sorry...what evidence would that be?

[Minimalist]

Beat me to it, boss!

[solja247]

How do you know the baby is innocent? Supposing it grew into a person so bad humanity was wiped out... would that justify killing to humans? God would take more into consideration of course; not just human interest.

This idea fails on two accounts

1. Can God really judge someone for doing something they havent done? what sought of legal system would that be if you were going to commit a crime 15 years later and you didnt even know about it? Its not fair.

2. Why didnt God kill Hitler when He was a baby? or Pol Pot? or George Bush? or Ossama Bin Laden? God isnt consistent.

*steers this conversation off topic*

Sorry...what evidence would that be?

Before I answer, what do you classify as evidence?

[Ace Otana]

(Big snip!)

Before I answer, what do you classify as evidence?

Empirical/verifiable evidence preferably.

[Scented Nectar]

Recently, the OT has been really bugging me, its theology is outdated. I dont give a dam what excuse, anyone uses, anyone who kill a innocent child/baby deserves to be hanged. God or human.

If that god is really a good one, then he wouldn't have let all of humanity up until only 2000 years ago suffer through such horrible rules. Even after the jesus event, has the world been saved? Are there still any unsaved ones happening? New people being born only to eventually be tortured? Why?

I dont have the answers for everything but I know that God isnt like this, if God is, I would rather burn in hell.
At the moment I dont know what to say, I would say the most logical thing is, is to throw the whole story out? but I dont know.

Well, if you do believe that a god created you, and if you also believe that it represents something good, like love or some general good purpose or meaning in life, I would define him yourself rather than go with any of the versions other humans have come up with so far, eg, every religion out there. That way, at least you are drawing on what you see as being morally good, etc. and not buying someone else's questionable morals as fact unquestioningly.

He died on the cross for me and you and that fact. I guess the only reason why I am a Christian is because of the evidence that Jesus rose from the dead and thus went to heaven, thats off topic anyways...

What did he die to save you from? Your human nature that he endowed you with in the first place? The hell punishment that he himself chooses to inflict on people?

There is no evidence at all of anyone named Jesus rising from the dead or performing miracles back then by the way. The first writings of that story were decades and decades AFTER his supposed resurrection. Would you believe it if someone told you "My great grandad said he knew of someone who rose from the dead and was the son of god"?

Im sorry, I have never been scared of God. Fundies are, I am not.
Since you appear to know the personality of 'the god' I believe in, tell me what it is? Please quote the Bible to back up your claims and then provide evidence to show to me that the way you interpret those verses is correct.

It's everywhere in the bible. He's jealous and vengeful. He even orders certain thoughts, making wrong ones a sin. You must worship, adore, praise, love, thank him, etc. There are many nonharmful 'crimes' including thought crimes, among the few harmful crimes, for which he will torture you forever. I'd have to cut and paste almost the entire bible though, to properly show you where it is. I'd be putting almost everything but the 'begat's in here.

[Minimalist]

Empirical/verifiable evidence preferably.

Yeah...the kind they never seem to have!