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Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
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 (May 23, 2016 at 8:13 am)EnergyGem Wrote:(May 23, 2016 at 7:56 am)Alex K Wrote: Oh please. Where in that link does it point to the actual peer-reviewed research showing drastic changes in gene regulation caused by falun gong practises?
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
RE: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
May 23, 2016 at 8:37 am
(This post was last modified: May 23, 2016 at 8:37 am by Alex K.)
You are so neck-deep in spurious claims which you never even consider might be questionable. If you don't question all this propaganda a bit more rigorously and try to think more precisely and clearly about 1) what is being claimed 2) what reliable research actually shows 3) what conclusions are actually warranted by the research, and which are informed by religious prejudice, you will be permanently lost to actual rational inquiry.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
 (May 23, 2016 at 8:17 am)Alex K Wrote:(May 23, 2016 at 8:13 am)EnergyGem Wrote: Alex check out the research done here: I see your referring to the previous article.I don't know if it has been peer reviewed just yet. We cannot say something is not scientific just because it has not been peer reviewed can we? Peer review began in 1665 but people still made considerable scientific breakthroughs before peer review. Here is some similar research done: 1. U.S.-based researchers in basic sciences have begun to show interest in studying Falun Dafa. Dr. Lili Feng, professor of immunology and molecular biology at Baylor College of Medicine in Texas, examined the life span and function of white blood cells, neutrophils in particular. Her preliminary results showed that the in-vitro life span of neutrophils from Falun Dafa practitioners was 30 times longer than that of control groups and they also functioned better. 2. Dr. Guohua Liu, a biophysicist from U.C. Davis, reports that the contraction force of cultured cardiac cells was increased 175% after several minutes' exposure to the energy field generated by Falun Dafa practitioners while they were practicing the exercises. While these surveys and studies strongly indicate the existence of the health and anti-aging effects, they shed no light on the mechanism at work. from: http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/files/Bett...20Gong.pdf Although Peer Review is designed to sift the wheat from the chaff, peer review has it's faults also: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn...-journals/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/spea...uestioned/ RE: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
May 23, 2016 at 9:09 am
(This post was last modified: May 23, 2016 at 9:10 am by Alex K.)
Those two quotes (1. and 2. ) are all just naked claims in some propaganda document, they don't even give references to scholarly articles by these people! That's bad, bad, bad.
That you start arguing with the weaknesses of peer review to justify these inadequate references should give you pause - you are not yet interested in learning, only in the quickest confirmation of your existing beliefs, but there is still hope.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
Alex, we have been debating for so long but you haven't even read the book yet! : )
Perhaps if you give it a read and point out what you feel is unscientific about it then we can continue our debate with you having a more comprehensive grasp on what it is I am truly sharing with you. RE: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
May 23, 2016 at 9:24 am
(This post was last modified: May 23, 2016 at 9:33 am by Alex K.)
(May 23, 2016 at 9:21 am)EnergyGem Wrote: Alex, we have been debating for so long but you haven't even read the book yet! : ) If the cursory glances you have provided already reveal such severe scholarly shortcomings (naked and very strong claims without scientific references), I will certainly not spend precious time reading the rest. You shouldn't talk me into reading 100+ page screeds about how great falun gong is - you have already demonstrated that crucial parts of it are bad science or pseudoscience, or at least unbacked by the author, and therefore unscientific until the text is supplied with reliable references. If you are really interested in the truth, you should investigate those bold scientific claims. So far it looks like there's not much but hot air behind it - you weren't able to point to any serious science, only claims in articles and books - that is not the science, that's just something someone wrote in some article! I could claim any wonderful thing in a book or article or on my blog, that doesn't mean any of it holds water. The science is done in real scientific publications. I recommend to you to learn something about how real science works in principle and you might start to see the difference.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
Pineal eye that sees extra dimensions, hidden souls, atrophied super powers. The only thing this demonstrates is that the depth of human gullibility is bottomless.
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I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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Know God, Know fear. (May 23, 2016 at 5:46 pm)ignoramus Wrote:(May 23, 2016 at 9:41 am)mh.brewer Wrote: I have some healing crystals for sale. I'll need a test first. I think Steel is the closest to a valid subject that we got. (at least has part of the name, know he has the bod). Pool also. Think they'd be up for exposure?
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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