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Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
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RE: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Results of a simple google search:

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRela...s/acu.html

http://www.csicop.org/sb/show/sima_nan_f...e_in_china

http://skepdic.com/chikung.html

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/799894.shtml

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/foo...-at-nccam/
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental. 
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#52
RE: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Quote:such as his faith in science, religion, or an ideology, etc., are being challenged by the truth of the Buddha Fa (Buddha Law), he also becomes agitated. This causes the evil side of human nature to predominate

Matey, do you have dice with letters on them that you just roll or something?

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Know God, Know fear.
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#53
RE: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Not agitated - bewildered
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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RE: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
(May 28, 2016 at 5:13 am)EnergyGem Wrote: You should understand that what I have shared with you is not a religion or a qigong for healing or fitness. It is the canon of the universe that is a far more profound science then what our current contemporary science has come to understand.

Actually many people in science hold on to their notions and get swayed by emotion rather then seeking the Truth and doing real science. Master Li has spoken about this:

A bunch of assertions by "Master Li" isn't evidence that many people in science get swayed by emotion. What's your evidence that this is so?
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RE: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Quote:When Falun Gong was introduced to my parents in early 1999 in San Francisco, it was presented as an exercise that promised to improve health. I can’t describe how shocked I was when I heard my mother start talking about the aliens who live among us and saying that human society is bad, the end of world is coming, and Li Hongzhi, the founder of Falun Gong, is offering the last chance to save mankind. How did an exercise become a world-saving religion?

What Falun Gong Really Teaches
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#56
RE: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
The ideology hijacks the brain and apparently renders it useless in some respects. Our friend here is now nearly incapable of clear thought as soon as a question infringes on the domain of the mind virus - any question or argument is routed to a default reaction quoting propaganda material or the pronouncements of an authority like Li. Critical thought is bypassed. An unsettling mechanism when one sees it in action so blatantly.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#57
RE: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
OK, when you put it it that way, he's just batshit crazy then?
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Know God, Know fear.
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#58
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Quote:Some people claim, "Our human race evolved from apes." In fact, let me tell you that man did not evolve from apes at all. Darwin proposed a theory, which says, "Man has evolved from apes." When he made public this theory at that time, he brought it out with great trepidation. His theory is full of loopholes and is incomplete, and yet, it has been accepted by people to this day. Please think about it. The evolutionary process that he proposed of apes evolving to man, a process of tens of millions of years, cannot be found. There isn’t one. Why weren’t there such people between apes and human beings? Not just human beings, but other things as well. None of the evolved animals that he referred to had the transitional process. In addition, why are the species that exist on the continent of Australia different from the species that exist on other continents? He could explain none of these. Nevertheless this theory of evolution with all its loopholes has been accepted by human beings. This is indeed strange!

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RE: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
Firstly this is the Truth of Master Li Hongzhi ( they also explain why people call him Master, this term has a different meaning to what we in the West have come to understand it to mean):

http://mr.hongzhi.li/



Some other points to note. 

1) Falun Dafa is currently under extreme persecution by the evil chinese government with practitioners been sent to prison, tortured and their organs harvested while they are still alive:

http://en.minghui.org/cc/1/

http://en.minghui.org/cc/8/

http://en.minghui.org/cc/5/



The CCP is also orchestrating an unprecedented propaganda campaign against Falun Dafa which goes to every level of the media:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong

http://en.minghui.org/cc/9/



They even have something called an Internet Water Army specifically designed to undermine and try to spread lies about Dafa through various internet mediums from blogs to forums and other outlets. They actually have full time people (agents) working on this stuff:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Water_Army


The former head of the CCP, Jiang Zemin is currently being sued by thousands of people for the heinous crimes (torture, murder, organ harvesting) he has commited on Falun Dafa practitioners:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1380765-...ang-zemin/

http://www.visiontimes.com/2015/07/02/10...-deal.html




2) Master Li has been given various awards the world over:

"By April 2001, Mr. Li Hongzhi had received over 340 awards and proclamations from Australia, Canada, China (before crackdown), Japan, Russia, and the U.S. in recognition of the extraordinary contributions to people's spiritual and physical health, and to freedom of belief in the world. These include certificates of recognition from several governmental bodies in the United States – including Honorary Citizenship awarded by The State of Georgia and city of Atlanta. 

On 14 March 2001, The Freedom House bestowed Li Hongzhi and Falun Gong with an International Religious Freedom Award for the advancement of religious and spiritual freedom at a ceremony in the United States Senate. In the same year, Li was ranked the most powerful communicator in Asia by AsiaWeek Magazine "for his power to inspire, to mobilize people and to spook Beijing". He was nominated for the 2001 Sakharov Prize by over 25 members of European Parliament, was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 2000 and 2001, and in 2013 was ranked by Foreign Policy Magazine as one of the 500 most powerful people in the world."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Hongzhi#Life_abroad



Some links to various awards awarded to Master Li Hongzhi by different governments of the world:

http://photo.minghui.org/selected-En/u_m...558571.htm

http://en.minghui.org/html/articles/2009...11137.html

https://falundafaunsw.wordpress.com/2011...9D-photos/



3) Thousands of people the world over have improved their health by practicing Dafa:

http://www.pureinsight.org/node/6628

http://www.clearwisdom.net/cc/17/




Jormungandr that article you have linked has many statements about Dafa that are complete fabrications designed to undermine Dafa:

1) It states in the article that he said the practice is for healing and fitness. This is a lie, at the outset of Zhuan Falun it is clearly stated that this is a high level QiGong and is not just about healing and fitness. In fact the very first paragraph of Zhuan Falun states clearly that this practice is more then just a healing and fitness Qi Gong and is far more profound.


2) Nowhere in the teachings of Falun Dafa does it say that the end of the world is coming. Nowhere in Zhuan Falun ( which is the core teaching of Falun Dafa ) does it say anything about a doomsday scenario.

3) It mentions the word cult in that article. In no way is Falun Dafa a cult. No money is involved, people come and go as the practice is completely voluntary, there are no churches or rosters and people just practice a set of 5 gentle Qi Gong exercises in their spare time and try to follow the precepts of Dafa which are founded on Truthfulness, Compassion and Forbearance. How is any of that a cult?

In fact it clearly states in Zhuan Falun that if you don't want to practice that's totally up to you:


excerpt 1:

"Here we’re teaching you to take the right path, and along with that, we’re teaching you the Law inside and out and encouraging you to have your own understanding of it, but it’s still up to you whether you decide to learn it. "The master leads you through the door, but cultivation is up to you. Nobody’s going to push you to cultivate. It’s up to you whether you cultivate. Or to put it another way, when you choose your own path, when you decide what you want, or when you’re trying to get something—nobody will stop you. They can only try to kindly persuade you"

excerpt 2:

"Our Falun Dafa is one of the Buddhist system’s 84,000 disciplines. It’s never been passed on to the general public before during this period of civilization, but it did once save people on a large scale in a prehistoric age. Today I’m spreading it again widely during this final period of the kalpa’s end, so it’s just extremely precious."

excerpt 3:

"I’m not saying you have to learn my Falun Dafa, but I can say that what I’m doing is sharing some principles with you. If you want to cultivate you have to commit to one discipline, or else you won’t be able to cultivate one bit. Of course, if you don’t want to cultivate we’ll leave you alone. The Law is meant to be heard by people who really cultivate."





Some words on the extradition attempt the Chinese Government tried (but failed) to impose on Master Li Hongzhi and what he had to say about it and some of the other points covered in that article Jormungandr posted. 

Basically this is what Master Li Hongzhi has to say about the lies and slander that are being spread by people trying to undermine Dafa and paint it in a negative light:

http://en.falundafa.org/eng/jjyz2_02.htm




There have been many enlightened beings in the past from Jesus, Lao Zi, Buddha Shakyamuni, Apollonius of Tyana and many others that the world doesn't have a record of. These awakened one's weren't ordinary people. These sages were people who where awakened or what some schools called 'unlocked', they saw higher and more profounder truths then the average man.


As for who Master Li Hongzhi truly is I will preface this by saying that there is ancient flower known as the udumbara flower, this flower is said to bloom only once every 3000 years. This flower is now been spotted blooming in different places around the world in this time period. They say that a flower such as this blooms only when there is a Buddha offering salvation to people on earth:

"The udumbara flower is said in Buddhist legend to bloom only once every 3,000 years, the last time being before the birth of Buddha. Spotted again across the world in the past 20 years or so, some say the udumbara could herald the coming of a great sage or enlightened being."

and:

According to Buddhist legend, its appearance heralds the arrival of the Holy King Who Turns the Wheel, rectifying the Dharma in the world. This King is said to accept anyone of any religious affiliation, offering salvation to all through compassion. 

Volume 8 of the Buddhist scripture “Huilin Phonetics and Interpretation” states: “The udumbara flower is the product of propitious and supernatural phenomena; it is a celestial flower and does not exist in the mundane world. If a Tathagata or the King of the Golden Wheel appears in the human world, this flower will appear due to his great virtue and blessings.”



The full article can be read here:


http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/725095-f...oss-globe/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...chine.html



Jormungandr, as for evolution it is completely wrong.  When Darwin presented his theory of evolution it was full of holes, with the biggest flaw being the lack of the intermediate periods of evolution from ape to man and from paleo lives to modern lives—they’re missing not just for humans, but for other lives and animals as well. How can that be explained? 

Take a look at this talk from Google Talks, it will uncover for you the truth of this evolution myth ( it is completely scientific):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKfGC3P9KoQ





Quote:A bunch of assertions by "Master Li" isn't evidence that many people in science get swayed by emotion. What's your evidence that this is so?



Jormungandr this topic is too long to cover in this post. I will follow up on this soon.



Quote:The ideology hijacks the brain and apparently renders it useless in some respects. Our friend here is now nearly incapable of clear thought as soon as a question infringes on the domain of the mind virus - any question or argument is routed to a default reaction quoting propaganda material or the pronouncements of an authority like Li. Critical thought is bypassed. An unsettling mechanism when one sees it in action so blatantly.

I have already provided you with a lot of scientific evidence that is completely sound from various sources. Actually you haven't provided any evidence scientifically to rebuke what I have provided you. 

But here is another scientific study that was performed:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/insp...our-brain/
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RE: Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)
"On a more esoteric level, Li also teaches that demonic space aliens seek to destroy humanity and, since their arrival in 1900, have manipulated scientists and world leaders."
http://www.religionfacts.com/falun-gong

Michael Cremo. *snort* Like I'm going to listen to an hour of his bullshit.

"According to his own autobiography, Cremo has no scientific education (bet you never would have expected that)."

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Michael_Cremo
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