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May 27, 2016 at 11:18 am (This post was last modified: May 27, 2016 at 11:19 am by Spinchance.)
atlas533 Wrote:No, women cause us men to lust; men though cause women to lust. Islam stated that explicitly, the Quran directly orders Muslim men to keep their sites away and their private parts "protected"; while women keep their sites away and their private parts protected but with covering the important parts in the body that would make men drool.
Come on, don't tell me you're not getting an erection from the scene of a smooth butt or meaty breasts; or white feet ?? how do we have sex again?
Quote:24:31 And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings (khimars) over their bosoms (jaybs), and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known; and turn to Allah all of you, O believers! so that you may be successful
Where does the Quran say that men cause women to lust?
By the way if it is true you get an erection every time you see naked parts of women I feel sorry for you.
Quote:Not physically. That's just stupid..
Especially when God says this in the Quran:
Sura 9 ( 7 ) How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].
98:6 Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.
2:24 And if ye do it not - and ye can never do it - then guard yourselves against the Fire prepared for disbelievers, whose fuel is of men and stones.
2:88 And they say: Our hearts are hardened. Nay, but Allah hath cursed them for their unbelief. Little is that which they believe.
2:89..The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.
2:161 Lo! Those who disbelieve, and die while they are disbelievers; on them is the curse of Allah and of angels and of men combined.
The Quran will say whatever you want it to say.
No man ever believes that the Quran means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means”
(May 26, 2016 at 3:05 pm)Minimalist Wrote: So if you had a house guest who plopped his ass down on your couch and started telling you that he didn't like the color of your carpets and your furniture was shitty and why on earth were you serving lamb for dinner, you'd just sit there and take it?
Except in this case the people in question aren't guests and are assumed to be entitled to be there, as well as additional rights, such as the freedom to seek redress under law for a practice they consider to be onerous and without adequate justification. The whole "you're different so you should only have the rights of a guest" is a flawed procedure.
I don't buy it. They were apparently asylum seekers in the first place. You don't demand that everyone else change to accommodate the horseshit culture you fled from. No one put a gun to their heads and told them they had to go to Switzerland.
The Quran will say whatever you want it to say. Wrote:No man ever believes that the Quran means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means”
This makes it different from any other religious scriptures how?
The idea of compulsory handshaking is out of hand, for secular reasons. It's a serious disease vector, for one. It promotes the idea that children don't have enough of a claim to bodily autonomy to refuse to shake hands with an adult. It promotes showing respect over actual respect.
I'm grateful to these Muslim boys for inadvertently exposing this despicable practice of forced handshaking.
May 28, 2016 at 10:08 am (This post was last modified: May 28, 2016 at 10:09 am by WinterHold.)
Spinchance
I'll fix that comment for you so it doesn't seem that I'm saying things which I didn't say:
Spinchance wrote:
Quote:98:6 Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.
2:24 And if ye do it not - and ye can never do it - then guard yourselves against the Fire prepared for disbelievers, whose fuel is of men and stones.
2:88 And they say: Our hearts are hardened. Nay, but Allah hath cursed them for their unbelief. Little is that which they believe.
2:89..The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.
2:161 Lo! Those who disbelieve, and die while they are disbelievers; on them is the curse of Allah and of angels and of men combined.
The Quran will say whatever you want it to say.
No man ever believes that the Quran means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means”
In reply to my comment, which said:
Quote:atlas533 Wrote:No, women cause us men to lust; men though cause women to lust. Islam stated that explicitly, the Quran directly orders Muslim men to keep their sites away and their private parts "protected"; while women keep their sites away and their private parts protected but with covering the important parts in the body that would make men drool.
Come on, don't tell me you're not getting an erection from the scene of a smooth butt or meaty breasts; or white feet ?? how do we have sex again?
Quote: Wrote:24:31 And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings (khimars) over their bosoms (jaybs), and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known; and turn to Allah all of you, O believers! so that you may be successful
Where does the Quran say that men cause women to lust?
By the way if it is true you get an erection every time you see naked parts of women I feel sorry for you.
Quote: Wrote:Not physically. That's just stupid..
Especially when God says this in the Quran:
Sura 9 ( 7 ) How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].
Quote:98:6 Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.
2:24 And if ye do it not - and ye can never do it - then guard yourselves against the Fire prepared for disbelievers, whose fuel is of men and stones.
2:88 And they say: Our hearts are hardened. Nay, but Allah hath cursed them for their unbelief. Little is that which they believe.
2:89..The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.
2:161 Lo! Those who disbelieve, and die while they are disbelievers; on them is the curse of Allah and of angels and of men combined
Yes. According to Islam, my faith, we will wake up after death , get trialed/judged for the deeds we did in this life, and then we'll get rewarded with either hell or paradise.
There are very brutal descriptions for hell in the Quran; the reason for mentioning is to scare slaves into believing in the one and only God (which we call Allah in Arabic; the God who created me, you, earth, the universe, the hellish hot sun, the hellish hot on the outside/dead cold in the inside black hole...etc).
But that is a hell we'll see after we die?
There's nothing to do here; we are not supposed to build an artificial hell and throw people in it for example >< it's a threat that is given to people -including Muslims who do sins- in the future.
If you don't believe in Islam, you can laugh all day about this fact (just like most people do, anyhow). You're a wrong bigot though, if you thought you're Allah, and began to make your own earthly hells; and began to throw people in them.
Until then; IT IS A VERSE IN A BOOK.
Believe, don't believe, it's up to you. Write a complaint to Allah; I don't care. Tell him : "God ! you, your hell is hot and I think it's imaginary !!! Yeah btw, your slave, AtlasS, Stinks too !"
Just like the topic says: if you don't like it, leave us alone ! it's a mere belief; did it hurt you in anything? you're an atheist, I thought you already thought that these things are fairy tales??
Nobody threw you in hell, here on earth. Instead, I see HUMANS air-striking other humans and burning them to crisp; I see humans naming missiles to be "hell-fire missile", so....
What Muslims should not touch and should avoid:
Urine
Faeces
Semen
Dead body
Blood
Dog
Pig
Kafirs (non-muslims) are najis – unclean, impure and best avoided.
Alcoholic liquors
The sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat.
Jesus, I'm in a heap of fucking trouble . . . .
The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it.
(May 26, 2016 at 4:33 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Personally, the rule is very simple: as long as others don't inflict physical harm to you, either directly or indirectly, then it means THEY CARE ABOUT YOUR RIGHT, and it means THEY DO RESPECT YOU.
Those people didn't harm anybody.
I will stand against face veil for example because if poses a security threat (see my profile pic: I can do whatever I want with nobody recognizing my face :p ), I too will stand against racist banners since they would hurt the feelings of others.
I will stand against Muslims who want to force their vision on non-Muslims.
They don't want to shake hands mainly because they are "too conservative" and don't want to get horny by the touch of the opposing side's flesh; I, personally, think it's too much, but it's personal freedom !
If you force local traditions on others, then what is the difference between you, and the Arab bedwins who force their 9 years old daughters to marry 80 years old men again?because of what the local tradition dictates? what's the difference in terms of concept; really? focus on the "tradition enforcing"; not on the disgusting sexual intercourse.
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That, to me, is a racist society that doesn't accept change, a bigoted authority that thinks it has the right to intervene in peoples' personal lives.
But again, isn't that the curse of nationalism?
Humans are so tribal, indeed.
Agree with your opinion.
The veil:
Islam degrades women by assuming that they are responsible for the lust in men, that they must be hidden, covered, and prevented from full participation in society. This is evil.
Quote:What Muslims should not touch and should avoid:
Urine
Faeces
Semen
Dead body
Blood
Dog
Pig
Kafirs (non-muslims) are najis – unclean, impure and best avoided.
Alcoholic liquors
The sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat.
(May 26, 2016 at 3:05 pm)Minimalist Wrote: So if you had a house guest who plopped his ass down on your couch and started telling you that he didn't like the color of your carpets and your furniture was shitty and why on earth were you serving lamb for dinner, you'd just sit there and take it?
Big difference between a private home and a public place like a schoolroom. If someone complained about how I cooked the lamb, I'd have told them they didn't have to eat it (unless I fucked up the cooking). If someone complained about my decor, I'd have told them to not let the door hit them on the way out.
Schoolrooms are different as they are not a private setting, there is stuff you're allowed to get away with in private that are unacceptable in public, like forcing students to do something with no utulity.
