Coup d'État in Turkey under way?

[abaris]

It's over. Sadly. Now Erdogan will go full throttle. Cleanse the military and change the constitution without any opposition.

[account_inactive]

I've heard that the turkish public believes in some capacity that this is fake, and that Erdogan merely wants to have a reason to further his powers.

It wouldn't surprise me.

[abaris]

It wouldn't surprise me.

I'm usually not one for tinfoilery and am very careful with things like that or rumors pointing that way. But on this I can agree. Even more so, since one of the things he said this morning, was blaming the PKK yet again.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Well, just crossed Turkey of my list of countries I will visit in the future.

[account_inactive]

I was never intending to visit it anyway. An increasingly authoritarian government, especially after this fuck up of a coup and shit tons of terrorist attacks? No thank you.

[abaris]

I was never intending to visit it anyway. An increasingly authoritarian government, especially after this fuck up of a coup and shit tons of terrorist attacks? No thank you.

Istanbul is well worth a visit. But I agree, not right now. Apart from Hungary where I still had relatives, I never travelled behind the Iron Curtain back in the day. Suffice to say that I'm not too eager to visit Hungary right now either. Not as long as that little shit calls the shots there.

[account_inactive]

I was never intending to visit it anyway. An increasingly authoritarian government, especially after this fuck up of a coup and shit tons of terrorist attacks? No thank you.

Istanbul is well worth a visit. But I agree, not right now. Apart from Hungary where I still had relatives, I never travelled behind the Iron Curtain back in the day. Suffice to say that I'm not too eager to visit Hungary right now either. Not as long as that little shit calls the shots there.

Yeah, we'll see in the future when everything has calmed down.

[Anomalocaris]

I still think the EU's rejection of turkey 10 years ago was a catastrophic blunder that both put real geostrategic power in Euroasia out of the reach of the EU, perhaps permanently, and set turkey on course to where it is today. If the EU incorporated turkey, the the EU would gradually over several decades become the dominant power in the middleeast, and rival American, Russian and Chinese power in Central Asia. Excluding turkey sets turkey up with the ambition to create a unfriendly block at europe's door step, hamming Europe in in the long run.

But that's crying over spilled milk, Would the development in turkey accelerate or retard the growth of right wing eurosceptic influences in the little shit states of the bulkans and former Warsaw Pact?

[abaris]

I still think the EU's rejection of turkey 10 years ago was a catastrophic blunder that both put real geostrategic power in Euroasia out of the reach of the EU, perhaps permanently, and set turkey on course to where it is today.

No, I don't think it was a blunder. Turkey doesn't comply with many of the values of the European union. If there was any blunder of the European Union, it was expanding too quickly before setting up a course for the future. That way countries joined that weren't ready for the journey. They only were interested in the economic aspects but not the political ones.

[Anomalocaris]

I think whether Turkey should be part of EU depends whether EU is content to remain a limited domestic association of second rate powers, or whether the interests of its main participants lies in collectively establishing an geopolitical entity that could give Europe dominating influence in its near abroad and global influence on par with current or future superpower nation states.