The "Cultural Context" Excuse

[FatAndFaithless]

Out of all the possible topics that one could discuss with Huggy, I think none would be as laborious, redundant, and ineffectual as discussing abortion.

[Divinity]

My youngest daughter got me to really thinking about Christianity as a whole by asking me: If God was real, why would he have values and views similar to people of 2000 years ago? If God were limiting itself to a period, then why? And more importantly -- why hasn't god provided an update in 2000 years, since the times have in fact changed.

That's when I realized most of it is nothing but fucking bullshit. That's when I stopped identifying as anything more than culturally Christian.

[Edwardo Piet]

A fetus is not legally a person nor is it biologically as developed as a child or even a newborn baby.

I don't care if it's commonly referred to as an "unborn child" it isn't an unborn child, it's not a child at all, it's not even a fully developed baby yet, it's a fetus.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Fetuses aren't children.

So you're going to try to argue semantics? A fetus is commonly referred to as an "unborn child", but that isn't even the point, read my post again.

What's interesting is that it seems you think that a fetus has no right to live, by what authority are you able to make that determination?

*edit*

Oh I forgot, I wouldn't be in proper form if I didn't include a definition.

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http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/fetus

fetus
Pronunciation: /ˈfēdəs/  
(British (in nontechnical use) also foetus)
NOUN (plural fetuses)

An unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/def.../offspring

offspring
Pronunciation: /ˈôfˌspriNG/   Pronunciation: /ˈäfˌspriNG/  
NOUN (plural same)

1 A person’s child or children:

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The Christian who defends his god committing mass murder getting chivvy over the abortion of an undeveloped child which cannot survive on its own in the overwhelming majority of cases?

Mote, beam, etc etc.

Where's this high moral dudgeon of yours when you read that collection of obnoxious horseshit you base your faith upon? Yeah, I thought so ... you too are a moral relativist.

[Huggy Bear]

The Christian who defends his god committing mass murder getting chivvy over the abortion of an undeveloped child which cannot survive on its own in the overwhelming majority of cases?

*emphasis mine*
I don't know what point you're trying to make since a NEWBORN child can't suvive on it's own either.

Mote, beam, etc etc.

Where's this high moral dudgeon of yours when you read that collection of obnoxious horseshit you base your faith upon?  Yeah, I thought so ... you too are a moral relativist.

Here's the thing, YOU don't believe anything in the bible actually happened, furthermore as for the "Mote, beam, etc etc."; if you know of any Christian OR Jew stoning children please feel free to share.

On the other hand abortions ARE happening, which as I pointed out, you guys are in favor of.

What was that about mote again?

[madog]

I think you're all missing the point that God has the right to do what he wants to do.  

Maybe (if it exists), but it doesn't make it right 

Pretty sick idea to create beings that didn't ask to exist and demand worship under the threat of even more suffering than being created in the first place ....

[Thumpalumpacus]

Apparently, Huggy, you've opted to ignore the point again.

I'm shocked. SHOCKED.

Tell us again why you don't mind worshipping a mass-murderer, while at the same time decrying what you assert as a "murder" to be immoral.

I'll wait ... you seem to be in "defensive dithering" mode, but that's okay, I'm used to it coming from you.

[Huggy Bear]

Apparently, Huggy, you've opted to ignore the point again.

I'm shocked. SHOCKED.

Tell us again why you don't mind worshipping a mass-murderer, while at the same time decrying what you assert as a "murder" to be immoral.

I'll wait ... you seem to be in "defensive dithering" mode, but that's okay, I'm used to it coming from you.

Uh, I haven't ignored anything, murder is defined as "the UNLAWFUL PREMEDITATED killing of a human being". Last time I looked capital punishment was not murder.


Context is everything...

Every single time I prove an atheists position on scripture wrong by using the very same scripture; they always revert back to, "we don't believe in God", well guess what? I'm not the one that started the thread. There for if you don't believe in God, then you obviously don't believe God committed any "mass murders".

Now if you want to provide any specific "evidence" where YOU believe God committed mass murder then let's see it; and In return I'll show you according to scripture why it's not "mass murder"... Deal?

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A fetus is not legally a person nor is it biologically as developed as a child or even a newborn baby.

I don't care if it's commonly referred to as an "unborn child" it isn't an unborn child, it's not a child at all, it's not even a fully developed baby yet, it's a fetus.

If we are talking legality, then legally a corporation is considered a person... what's your point?

I gave you the medical definition, which defined a fetus as "unborn offspring", human offspring ARE children, but I see you opt to ignore medical definitions when it's convenient.

Just so were clear, are you saying that an unborn has no right to live? By what authority does one make this determination?

[Angrboda]

I'm not in the mood for another abortion debate, sorry.

[LadyForCamus]

Apparently, Huggy, you've opted to ignore the point again.

I'm shocked. SHOCKED.

Tell us again why you don't mind worshipping a mass-murderer, while at the same time decrying what you assert as a "murder" to be immoral.

I'll wait ... you seem to be in "defensive dithering" mode, but that's okay, I'm used to it coming from you.

Uh, I haven't ignored anything, murder is defined as "the UNLAWFUL PREMEDITATED killing of a human being". Last time I looked capital punishment was not murder.


Context is everything...

Every single time I prove an atheists position on scripture wrong by using the very same scripture; they always revert back to, "we don't believe in God", well guess what? I'm not the one that started the thread. There for if you don't believe in God, then you obviously don't believe God committed any "mass murders".

Now if you want to provide any specific "evidence" where YOU believe God committed mass murder then let's see it; and In return I'll show you according to scripture why it's not "mass murder"... Deal?

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A fetus is not legally a person nor is it biologically as developed as a child or even a newborn baby.

I don't care if it's commonly referred to as an "unborn child" it isn't an unborn child, it's not a child at all, it's not even a fully developed baby yet, it's a fetus.

If we are talking legality, then legally a corporation is considered a person... what's your point?

I gave you the medical definition, which defined a fetus as "unborn offspring", human offspring ARE children, but I see you opt to ignore medical definitions when it's convenient.

Just so were clear, are you saying that an unborn has no right to live? By what authority does one make this determination?

God committed mass genocide, save for one family. What more evidence does anyone need?!