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RE: Mosul
August 22, 2016 at 4:17 pm
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(August 22, 2016 at 3:59 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (August 22, 2016 at 2:14 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: I support the Kurds 100%. Probably the only group left in the ME worth supporting (or who haven't been entirely genocided).
The Turks won't though. Syria is out of action as a regional force for a generation. Iraq will probably not survive as a viable nation. Who's left?
The idealist in me tells me to give two fingers to Turkey and go full hog in supporting Kurdistan. The realist in me though tells me that won't happen, at least not while the PPK are bombing Turks and Erdogan is on the path to totalitarianism. A full blown diplomatic fall out with Turkey will either strengthen Erdogan on a nationalist ticket, or weaken him as both secularists and supporters realise what it's truly like to be in the diplomatic wasteland.
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RE: Mosul
August 22, 2016 at 4:51 pm
(August 22, 2016 at 4:16 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: May as well get into bed with the Russians if that whole plane shooting incident can be resolved.
With Erdogan arresting the pilots (due to their involvement in the coup, of course, if someone is to buy the narrative) the incident seems to be resolved to Putin's satisfaction. Note that he's also getting cozy with Iran at present. Say what you will about Putin, but he's certainly no fool. He knows where he can leave his strategic footprint and he certainly doesn't hesitate to jump at the opportunities.
Erdogan cuddles up to Netanyahu too. The most recent announcement is that they resolved their differences too. At the same time, he's on an ice age trip with the Western world. Just today he withdrew his ambassador in my country. Most probably because we allowed a peaceful Kurdish demo in our capital.
After finding out what German services think of him and many Western governments not being cozy anymore, he's looking for new alliances. And there are quite a few willing to take that chance.
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RE: Mosul
August 23, 2016 at 3:44 pm
Well, as I said yesterday, Turkey recalled their ambassador for our country. Now the EU is showing the usual spineless reaction of saying, it's a bilateral matter. Not that this kind of solidarity comes unexpected. I always said about the EU too much too soon. There's no solidarity between countries, only economical cherry picking interests. That's the gripe I have with the EU. It's expansion during the last decade without setting the political parameters for new members to join.
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RE: Mosul
August 23, 2016 at 4:16 pm
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Can you imagine the howling if they -did- set more stringent political parameters though? Damned if they do, damned if they don;t, on that count..I think.
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RE: Mosul
August 23, 2016 at 4:23 pm
(August 23, 2016 at 4:16 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Can you imagine the howling if they -did- set more stringent political parameters though? Damned if they do, damned if they don;t, on that count..I think.
That's why I was against the joining of all the Eeastern European countries in 2004. Not because I hate them but because I always thought they're simply not ready for the experiment. No offense, but by then it was obvious they rather licked American boot and only joined to pick some cherries, since we are all paying for their wellbeing. That's why I always said, set up the political parameters and ask again if they feel like joining. The EU seems like a business expanding too fast too soon without any means to control their different affiliates. So now we pay and get nothing in return. Most glaringly with Hungary and Poland, which really weren't ready to join, since they were busy kissing Bush ass in 2004 and are now rules by nationalists only busy holding out their hands for some more subsidies.
That's fine by the way, but if they don't want to shoulder some of the load, let us decide if we want our tax money to go there. They're obviously very well off on their own.
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RE: Mosul
August 23, 2016 at 4:59 pm
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IDK if a parameter like "doesn't lick american boot" is all that realistic, or practical. 
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RE: Mosul
August 23, 2016 at 5:09 pm
I'm thinking Iraq and Syria are a power-vacuum over which Iran and Saudi Arabia will be fighting for the next generation.
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RE: Mosul
October 31, 2016 at 9:58 pm
All right, then....
http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/worl.../93076298/
Quote:Advancing Iraqi forces near Mosul city limits
Listen to the tape. You guys better fight better than when ISIS took it from you. Fucking allah has nothing to do with it.
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