Fighting for god(s)

[Torin]

Hi

Hope you all are having a good day .I want to share my opinon and story about one thing.When i was younger i was always fascinated with history.And one day in our history lesson we where learning about crusades in Baltic region.I read with excitment how my ancestors fought with these invaders, they didn't wanted to give away they land and their faith.Baltic tribes were pagans, and believed in many many gods.They were very religious and spiritual.They even were last pagans in Europe (google it).But after long and hard fighting with crusaders, they accepted christianity and become catholic nation (in theory, many people still believed in ancient gods, only king became catholic).Centuries has passed and Baltic region people slowly accepted this new faith.And then i thought to myself, wait a minute.We fought so strongly for our old pagan gods, but now people are doing the same.The means of fighting has changed of course, but still many many people believe in Christian god, and they believe in it very strongly.

Then i asked my history teacher one question ( who was christian by the way) i remember it precisely even today:,,Teacher our ancestors, fought for they believed what was right, and those people couldn't accept even the notion that christian god is right god, so why we are sure now that this god is right? My teacher could't answer that.When lesson was over, he asked me to stay and said how i even come up with this idea?

I explained to him that from my experience people today pray for this god (especially older people), they even build huge wooden crosses in their backyards (mostly in villages) They are too very religious and wouldn't give their faith, for any new god.And in ancient times we did the same, we prayed for gods, we bringed them sacrifices, and build monuments for them,and we didn't accepted new god, because whe knew that gods we were believeing were right gods.Why are we so sure now that this god is right one?

He sitted in silence, i saw his eyes were questioning.I was only in 6 or 7 grade.He then said that we have prove of god, the holly bible.At the time i didn't even read the bible and my parents said that bible is truth, so i believed in his conclusion.

Now i want to ask you dear christians why are you so sure that your god is only one right god? What if hypothetically speaking in world would born a new religion and everyone started to converting to it, how would you know that you are right and they are wrong? (I also don't want to disrespect anyone, but please be very open minded)

[RoadRunner79]

[Drich]

Hi

Hope you all are having a good day .I want to share my opinon and story about one thing.When i was younger i was always fascinated with history.And one day in our history lesson we where learning about crusades in Baltic region.I read with excitment how my ancestors fought with these invaders, they didn't wanted to give away they land and their faith.Baltic tribes were pagans, and believed in many many gods.They were very religious and spiritual.They even were last pagans in Europe (google it).But after long and hard fighting with crusaders, they accepted christianity and become catholic nation (in theory, many people still believed in ancient gods, only king became catholic).Centuries has passed and Baltic region people slowly accepted this new faith.And then i thought to myself, wait a minute.We fought so strongly for our old pagan gods, but now people are doing the same.The means of fighting has changed of course, but still many many people believe in Christian god, and they believe in it very strongly.

Then i asked my history teacher one question ( who was christian by the way) i remember it precisely even today:,,Teacher our ancestors, fought for they believed what was right, and those people couldn't accept even the notion that christian god is right god, so why we are sure now that this god is right? My teacher could't answer that.When lesson was over, he asked me to stay and said how i even come up with this idea?

I explained to him that from my experience people today pray for this god (especially older people), they even build huge wooden crosses in their backyards (mostly in villages) They are too very religious and wouldn't give their faith, for any new god.And in ancient times we did the same, we prayed for gods, we bringed them sacrifices, and build monuments for them,and we didn't accepted new god, because whe knew that gods we were believeing were right gods.Why are we so sure now that this god is right one?

He sitted in silence, i saw  his eyes were questioning.I was only in 6 or 7 grade.He then said that we have prove of god, the holly bible.At the time i didn't even read the bible and my parents said that bible is truth, so i believed in his conclusion.

Now i want to ask you dear christians why are you so sure that your god is only one right god? What if hypothetically speaking in world would born a new religion and everyone started to converting to it, how would you know that you are right and they are wrong? (I also don't want to disrespect anyone, but please be very open minded)

I hate to poop on your 'victory' over your teacher Mr. Vader, but the answer to your question is 'childishly' simple.

Let me answer by asking you a question..

If you were adopted... How do you know your adopted parents are the "right ones?" How do you know they are your parents?

Does your selection of the "right parent" even have anything to do with this equation?

-Or-

Is it more about your parents selection of you...

The same is true here. We do not select God, God selects us.

[Aoi Magi]

I hate to poop on your 'victory' over your teacher Mr. Vader, but the answer to your question is 'childishly' simple.

Let me answer by asking you a question..

If you were adopted... How do you know your adopted parents are the "right ones?" How do you know they are your parents?

Does your selection of the "right parent" even have anything to do with this equation?

-Or-

Is it more about your parents selection of you...

The same is true here. We do not select God, God selects us.

well, in your hypothetical scenario, we could start simply by having actual proof of existence of said parents, then we could move on to further analysis and even DNA tests if required. Your god fails at the very first step though...

[Little lunch]

Your right drippy, your answer was simple and childish.

[KevinM1]

I hate to poop on your 'victory' over your teacher Mr. Vader, but the answer to your question is 'childishly' simple.

Let me answer by asking you a question..

If you were adopted... How do you know your adopted parents are the "right ones?" How do you know they are your parents?

Does your selection of the "right parent" even have anything to do with this equation?

-Or-

Is it more about your parents selection of you...

The same is true here. We do not select God, God selects us.

well, in your hypothetical scenario, we could start simply by having actual proof of existence of said parents, then we could move on to further analysis and even DNA tests if required. Your god fails at the very first step though...

Some foster parents are also terrible assholes, and thus not the 'right one(s)' due to their behavior....

[Chad32]

Most theists reach a conclusion, and try to find evidence for it. Especially those raised in religious homes. I never questioned christianity when I was younger. It wasn't until I found out things through the internet thta I realized it's not really that special. It's mostly a cultural thing.

[Drich]

I hate to poop on your 'victory' over your teacher Mr. Vader, but the answer to your question is 'childishly' simple.

Let me answer by asking you a question..

If you were adopted... How do you know your adopted parents are the "right ones?" How do you know they are your parents?

Does your selection of the "right parent" even have anything to do with this equation?

-Or-

Is it more about your parents selection of you...

The same is true here. We do not select God, God selects us.

well, in your hypothetical scenario, we could start simply by having actual proof of existence of said parents, then we could move on to further analysis and even DNA tests if required. Your god fails at the very first step though...

So.... In your little world even ADOPTED PARENTS share DNA...

The reason I specifically chose 'adopted' parents over biological ones is not all universally an adopted parents right/claim over an adopted child. Therefore "proof' of parenthood becomes arbitrary to anyone who does not want to recognize the relationship or bond...

Kinda how the whole God thing works now...

[Aoi Magi]

well, in your hypothetical scenario, we could start simply by having actual proof of existence of said parents, then we could move on to further analysis and even DNA tests if required. Your god fails at the very first step though...

So.... In your little world even ADOPTED PARENTS share DNA...

The reason I specifically chose 'adopted' parents over biological ones is not all universally an adopted parents right/claim over an adopted child. Therefore "proof' of parenthood becomes arbitrary to anyone who does not want to recognize the relationship or bond...

Kinda how the whole God thing works now...

Why would a dna test only have to be about matching DNA to biological parents? DNA testing has a lot of applications, but even in your simplistic scenario it could be used to determine whether the parent claiming to be the birth parent (or creator of child) is a liar or not...

And no, if your are an "arbitrary" parent, you'd most likely end up in jail. Foster parents need to prove themselves to retain their rights to raise the child...

[mlmooney89]

Hi Torin,

As with anything, it comes down to the reasons, that it is believed, and how good they are.    Being born into  a culture that believes a certain thing, being conquered by those who believe differently, or your teacher or mentor believing something is not a solid foundation on which to build.  The question is why (do they have good reason for what they believe)?  Also, truth is not up for a vote, or about what the majority believe.  This is a fallacy (argumentum ad populum).   Also, just because mistakes have been made in the past, or there are a number of choices, in which people believe, it doesn't mean that none of them are correct, or closer to the truth.  

There are a number of reasons, why people believe in the theistic position, both philosophical and scientific.  And you will find people who refer to experience and those who have an emotional (or feeling) reason, to believe (I think this can be evidence, but you also have to be wary, and I highly recommend collaborating evidence to go with it).   Your question, was to the Christian Faith however, and for this, I believe that you will find most of the evidence to be historic.  While the Scripture certainly contains teachings, and guidance, much of it is a historic narrative, of God's interaction with man.  They involve people, places and times, and if you read them, you will find, they often refer back to that history (sometimes reminding people of what they experienced, and other times,  referring to those who where witness to the events.  Much of what the Bible contains wasn't done in isolation (in a cave, or out in the woods somewhere) where to people of the time, could not refute or validate it.  Also, you will find, that these are not isolated stories within history, that pop out of no where.  There is a history prior to, and after, that connects them.

I am just curious on a Christian's theory for this, no hostility at all. Why are almost all the Christian holidays on documented pagan holidays? It seems like they are trying to over shadow those holidays on purpose to make people forget about them.